Ford Focus 2013 diesel purchase was a mistake

Ford Focus 2013 diesel purchase was a mistake

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micky1786

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126 posts

104 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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Hi there, can anyone help me with a ford circus 2013 tdci that a purchased two months ago timing belt failed as it stripped 40 teeth and then I find starter was burnt out as it started smoking after a couple of turns, so replaced the starter motor and it’s the same issue starter is turning very slowly and not starting the car... have had the car tow started and still nothing!... anyone have this issue or can point me in the right direction please?.

Thank you

aaron_2000

5,407 posts

83 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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micky1786 said:
Hi there, can anyone help me with a ford circus 2013 tdci that a purchased two months ago timing belt failed as it stripped 40 teeth and then I find starter was burnt out as it started smoking after a couple of turns, so replaced the starter motor and it’s the same issue starter is turning very slowly and not starting the car... have had the car tow started and still nothing!... anyone have this issue or can point me in the right direction please?.

Thank you
Did you buy it from a dealer? If you did, was it a proper dealer or was it a dodgy back street lot? If it was a proper dealer then I'd attempt to get some recourse, have you had it checked over?

GreenV8S

30,192 posts

284 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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Has the person who replaced the timing belt successfully done that previously on the same/similar engine?

Richard-D

756 posts

64 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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What work was carried out after the "stripped belt" ?

Was there a leakdown test, did the head come off for any rebuild work etc. etc. ?

micky1786

Original Poster:

126 posts

104 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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aaron_2000 said:
micky1786 said:
Hi there, can anyone help me with a ford circus 2013 tdci that a purchased two months ago timing belt failed as it stripped 40 teeth and then I find starter was burnt out as it started smoking after a couple of turns, so replaced the starter motor and it’s the same issue starter is turning very slowly and not starting the car... have had the car tow started and still nothing!... anyone have this issue or can point me in the right direction please?.

Thank you
Did you buy it from a dealer? If you did, was it a proper dealer or was it a dodgy back street lot? If it was a proper dealer then I'd attempt to get some recourse, have you had it checked over?
sadly bought it privately thinking timing belt which I checked and it was stripped then thought easy fix but sadly not!.

micky1786

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Friday 4th January 2019
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GreenV8S said:
Has the person who replaced the timing belt successfully done that previously on the same/similar engine?
timing was done by me and a colleague. We’ve never done one on this particular car or model before... it’s turns over from crank by hand but when trying to turn with key it’s really slow so replaced battery too thinking it was that but still turns super slow as if battery about to die!...

micky1786

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126 posts

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Friday 4th January 2019
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Richard-D said:
What work was carried out after the "stripped belt" ?

Was there a leakdown test, did the head come off for any rebuild work etc. etc. ?
I replaced the 8 valves head gasket starter motor battery and still having the same issue... no leak down test was done as I don’t think it’s injector related as the issue with engine turning over slow with key that’s puzzled me.

StevenB

777 posts

197 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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have you checked the earth connections, body to engine etc

micky1786

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126 posts

104 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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Yes I have thank you

Thank you all for all the other replies too... still banging my head on this one!...

finlo

3,759 posts

203 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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Some of these have a twin belt setup one of which is in the sump? Anyway it definitely runs in the oil.
It's possible you've overlooked this?

GreenV8S

30,192 posts

284 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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micky1786 said:
it’s turns over from crank by hand but when trying to turn with key it’s really slow
Either the starter motor is weak or the engine is tight. Are you familiar with the torque needed to turn this type of engine over, and did this engine seem normal when you pulled it over by hand?

micky1786

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126 posts

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Friday 4th January 2019
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finlo said:
Some of these have a twin belt setup one of which is in the sump? Anyway it definitely runs in the oil.
It's possible you've overlooked this?
Never known these to run two belts or a chain in the sump?. May have to take dump off to check

micky1786

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126 posts

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Friday 4th January 2019
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GreenV8S said:
micky1786 said:
it’s turns over from crank by hand but when trying to turn with key it’s really slow
Either the starter motor is weak or the engine is tight. Are you familiar with the torque needed to turn this type of engine over, and did this engine seem normal when you pulled it over by hand?
I’ve replaced the starter motor and also tried to tow start the car but it doesn’t seem to want to go!. Engine seems to turn over fine by hand too and a when on compression the usual.

finlo

3,759 posts

203 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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Google ford wet belt for more info.

micky1786

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104 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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finlo said:
Google ford wet belt for more info.
Thank you

micky1786

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126 posts

104 months

Friday 4th January 2019
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Can’t find a 1.6 tdci with wet belt but plenty of 1.8 ?

Penelope Stopit

11,209 posts

109 months

Saturday 5th January 2019
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Have you used a torque wrench to see how much it takes to turn it
This image is of a good low kilometers Peugeot 1.9D, It may be of help in giving you some idea what your engine is like
If the battery, starter and cables are good, the engine should crank over and if not something is tight or damaged
Poster Mignon is the man for this and he may be along soon or you could open another topic asking for him

Mikey G

4,730 posts

240 months

Saturday 5th January 2019
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micky1786 said:
Can’t find a 1.6 tdci with wet belt but plenty of 1.8 ?
Sounds like its the Peugeot engine.

Mignon

1,018 posts

89 months

Saturday 5th January 2019
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Penelope Stopit said:
Poster Mignon is the man for this and he may be along soon or you could open another topic asking for him
Poster Mignon has no idea how much torque that diesel engine would take to turn by hand with the injectors in and the engine working against compression. A fooking lot I would imagine. With twice the CR of a petrol engine I'd not be surprised at 70 or 80 ft lbs. However there are clearly two different problems. The engine won't start even when the car is towed and it also turns slowly on the starter motor.

It would seem sensible to check the voltage the starter motor is getting and how it drops when cranking. But if the engine won't start anyway then that's separate. A fair guess would be that the cam timing got messed up but it could be fuel too of course. Might just need the system bleeding after the rebuild.

micky1786

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126 posts

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Saturday 5th January 2019
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Penelope Stopit said:
Have you used a torque wrench to see how much it takes to turn it
This image is of a good low kilometers Peugeot 1.9D, It may be of help in giving you some idea what your engine is like
If the battery, starter and cables are good, the engine should crank over and if not something is tight or damaged
Poster Mignon is the man for this and he may be along soon or you could open another topic asking for him
Ive not checked that but it’s pretty easy to turn and not overly hard like some engines.