so who's done this CPC rubbish then?...

[R0G]

Graham said:

im in two minds about this i took my hgv at 19 in the army, which was cough a few years ago, as im not far from need ing the medical!!!

I dont drive for a living, but am out most weekends in my 7.5 tonner race transporter with my own car in the back.

its always nice to have the hgv as a fall back but the 30 odd hours for the dcpc is a bit steep for a hobby..

a nd it does seem like a right royal waste of time....


any thoughts

g

You do not need dcpc for PRIVATE LGV driving such as your own LGV with your own racecar in it as that is a hobby and not a commercial venture
As it is a PRIVATE LGV under 7.5 tonnes you do not need a tacho or come under EU regs 251/2006 or UK domestic regs

HOWEVER - if after 09/09/2014 you want to do any commercial LGV driving then you will need all 35 hours of periodic dcpc before you can do so

[rb5er]

R0G said:

rb5er said:

I did it as a theory and practical after i passed my hgv theory and practical.

That was the initial dcpc
You now have to do the periodic dcpc 35 hours before YOUR 5 years runs out

The periodic dcpc is the problem and what the posts on this thread are referring to

Yep i have done the dcpc and dont need to do the modules for 4 years .

[R0G]

rb5er said:

Yep i have done the dcpc and dont need to do the modules for 4 years .

If your boss ever says he will pay for the odd 7 hour course then take it

[lgw]

If you work in the Truck repair trade and only use your LGV for road tests and taking vehicles for test you don't need the DCPC either

[R0G]

lgw said:

If you work in the Truck repair trade and only use your LGV for road tests and taking vehicles for test you don't need the DCPC either

1st bit correct but not the second
Mechanics taking LGVs for MOT etc do need DCPC - there is not an exemption for that

this has been confirmed by the DSA dcpc section and VOLVO/MERC who are acreditted dcpc providers and also have mechanics

Apparently the thinking that convinced the DSA was -
The same job can be done by a LGV driver and a LGV driver/mechanic
Whereas the road testing can only be done by a qualified mechanic to accertain if there are any mechanical faults

Edited by R0G on Friday 30th March 18:28

[leggly]

It's a complete load of bks, end of!

[popide]

First module (WTD and tacho hours) completed at work today. Alot of waffle but did learn the odd bit here and there! Just another hoop to jump through I suppose? The fact you seem to be able to do the same module five times and get passed says it all really.

[lgw]

R0G said:

lgw said:

If you work in the Truck repair trade and only use your LGV for road tests and taking vehicles for test you don't need the DCPC either

1st bit correct but not the second
Mechanics taking LGVs for MOT etc do need DCPC - there is not an exemption for that

this has been confirmed by the DSA dcpc section and VOLVO/MERC who are acreditted dcpc providers and also have mechanics

Apparently the thinking that convinced the DSA was -
The same job can be done by a LGV driver and a LGV driver/mechanic
Whereas the road testing can only be done by a qualified mechanic to accertain if there are any mechanical faults

Edited by R0G on Friday 30th March 18:28

I would be interested in seeing that written or pointed in the direction of where i can find it

[FussyFez]

Got my CPC with my PCV.. Pretty simple stuff really, not sure how it would differ from an LGV or HGV one.

[lgw]

There both the same, we are currently doing a company wide dcpc program and both LGV and PCV Licence holders are sitting the same courses

[herecomestrouble]

I`ve done the same module 3 times, each with a different company. Then made redundant each time!
Not so keen on doing that module again

[lgw]

You can do the same module 5 times if you wish, which really makes a mockery of the whole dcpc idea

[R0G]

lgw said:

I would be interested in seeing that written or pointed in the direction of where i can find it

Find an exempption in the list below that says taking a vehicle for MOT is not requiring dcpc
http://www.drivercpc-periodictraining.org/en/affec...

[lgw]

I would say looking at that list its a guideline and not a definitive list as to some of the exemptions provided, as the get out clause at the bottom states
I have been in touch with the FTA this morning and they are under the same view as my previous statement you can drive a HGV TO its annual test without a DCPC.
At the end of the day it would be up to the courts to interpret the ruling if a driver driving to an MOT station without a DCPC was ever brought before them

[R0G]

OK - there IS the LAW http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2007/605/regula...

[lgw]

Thanks for the link Rog

Still doesn't clarify the question fully, DCPC is required for drivers who drive professionally, a HGV Technician could prove in court if needed that he was not driving professionally taking a vehicle for its annual test, the technical term used is an incidental driver and driving the vehicle is not their main occupation

I think we will just have to agree to differ on this subject, you interpret it one way I another and others have a totally different view to us

Edited by lgw on Saturday 12th May 00:42

[R0G]

lgw said:

Thanks for the link Rog

Still doesn't clarify the question fully, DCPC is required for drivers who drive professionally, a HGV Technician could prove in court if needed that he was not driving professionally taking a vehicle for its annual test, the technical term used is an incidental driver and driving the vehicle is not their main occupation

I think we will just have to agree to differ on this subject, you interpret it one way I another and others have a totally different view to us

The 'confusion' has already been sorted by the DSA/DfT so anyone differring would need to take a case to the EU court (super expensive) to argue with that

The way the authorities determined it was that if the job (taking to MOT) could be done by a non mechanic then it does not come under any exemption

[pja]

I intend to do the dcpc because I have 20+ working years and you never know,
But I currently work as a used truck salesman and have to move empty vehicles about, deliver to customer etc on trade plates
So technically would I be exempt as this is not my main employment?

We also use a couple of retired blokes on a self employed ad hock basis to collect and deliver vehicles
The idea of doing the dcpc frightens the st out of them at 70+ years old
But someone has told them they are exempt so they are sticking to that!........ I'm not so sure?


PJA

[R0G]

pja said:

I intend to do the dcpc because I have 20+ working years and you never know,
But I currently work as a used truck salesman and have to move empty vehicles about, deliver to customer etc on trade plates
So technically would I be exempt as this is not my main employment?

We also use a couple of retired blokes on a self employed ad hock basis to collect and deliver vehicles
The idea of doing the dcpc frightens the st out of them at 70+ years old
But someone has told them they are exempt so they are sticking to that!........ I'm not so sure?


PJA

If a driver is employed by a LGV hire company to collect and deliver hired out vehicles then there was some exemption for either dcpc or tscho regs but I cannot find which it was ...... If I do find out I'll post later

[zip929]

What a lod of crap this cpc is.
Bureaucracy at it's very best.

A driver of 20+ years has to pay to do a course to tell him how to do a job he has been doing successfully without issue for the last 20+ years! You could not make it up, unless of course you are a bureaucrat in Brussels.

I will have to do mine. Anyone have any recommendations for training in the Kent area?

Edited by zip929 on Thursday 24th May 19:43