HGV not for commercial use...

[TommoAE86]

If I wanted to drive an HGV tractor unit not for commercial use is there anything else I would need other than part 1 & 3 as detailed in the below link. Also do any of the environmental laws surrounding the vehicles apply in the same situation?

https://www.gov.uk/become-lorry-bus-driver/getting...

GOV Site said:

Who doesn’t need the full Driver CPC
You don’t need the full Driver CPC if you:

don’t want to drive for a living, for example you want to drive for a hobby or carry passengers or goods non-commercially for personal use
drive in other certain situations, such as taking your vehicle for a pre-booked annual test (MOT)
You still need to pass the part 1 (theory) and part 3 (driving ability) tests of the qualification.

Thanks

[Shakermaker]

As I understand it, as for a time I was looking at similar, you would not need the CPC and would only need to satisfy 1 & 3 on the list, not 2 & 4.

[truck71]

You register it as a plg and drive it on a car licence. Ideally you remove the 5th wheel so as to remove any doubt about its purpose.

[the pips]

If the vehicle is over 7.5 tonnes then you need the Class C licence. You don't need a CPC if you aren't driving it as part of your job. My RV is over 7.5 tonnes so I did check when the CPC regs came in just to be on the safe side.

[It's fixable...]

The vehicle will have to display "Not for hire or reward" to leave no doubt about it's status.

[TommoAE86]

Perfect thank you all

[cameron scott]

many people can drive up to 7.5 tonnes on there car licence anything bigger than 7.5 tonnes you have take seperate training

[TommoAE86]

Thanks all, my d/l was first issued after 2000 so will have to take the test as the back only goes to B.

Does environmental laws apply if it's something just for shows? Would rather not remove the 5th wheel if I could just stick the notice mentioned above, would do it though if it would make it easier for the relevant authorities.

[DrDeAtH]

TommoAE86 said:

Thanks all, my d/l was first issued after 2000 so will have to take the test as the back only goes to B.

Does environmental laws apply if it's something just for shows? Would rather not remove the 5th wheel if I could just stick the notice mentioned above, would do it though if it would make it easier for the relevant authorities.

You may be able to get away with bolting a purpose made cover over the 5th wheel.
The point being that you would not be able to hook up a trailer to the tractor unit.

[Fun Bus]

The fifth wheel does not need to be removed or disabled. A tractor unit (more often than not) will be in excess of 7.5t and require a class C licence.

Don't forget, even if not using a tachograph card you'll still need to have the 2 and 6 years tachograph inspections/calibration as these are an MOT item up to 25 year old units.

[InitialDave]

Nanook said:

You're correct in your assumption, it's what I do.

You cannot drive it on a 'car licence' whatever that meant. If it weighs more than 7.5T it's an HGV, and you'll need a "C" licence. If you passed your driving test before 01/01/97 you'll already have C1 on your licence, but that only covers up to 7.5T.

There is an oddity whereby if it's pre 1960 and not being used laden or for towing, you can drive it on your normal car licence, though that's really only of use for people who just like classic trucks and want to take them to shows.

[Willy Nilly]

When we get our seed dressed, the company that does it has 4 wheel trucks, DAF CF iirc of circa 20t GVW. These run on red diesel, no tacho, no 6 week testing and the drivers don't need Class C or CPC's. They do get the drivers Class C's and they have all their CPC's just to be safe, but it's all perfectly legal.

We had concrete delivered 2 weeks ago on one of those mixers that has all of the ingredients on board and mixes it on site. 8 wheeler, 45 tonne gross , runs on cherry, no tacho etc, it's classed as plant not an LGV

[powerstroke]

Fun Bus said:

The fifth wheel does not need to be removed or disabled. A tractor unit (more often than not) will be in excess of 7.5t and require a class C licence.

Don't forget, even if not using a tachograph card you'll still need to have the 2 and 6 years tachograph inspections/calibration as these are an MOT item up to 25 year old units.

Over 7.5 ton you have to use the tachograph ...that has been law for a few years now ..

[Fun Bus]

But there are still exemptions.

[GC8]

I suspect that an eight wheel concrete on demand vehicle will weigh 32 tonnes maximum. Even Scania and Volvo chassis have a maximum permissible weight of around 36 tonnes and DAFs 34 tonnes.

[GC8]

The tare weight of many 4x2 traction units will be below 7500kg. Have them plated as a PLG and drive them on your grandfathered C1 entitlement. Silly door stickers aren't required.

[Willy Nilly]

GC8 said:

I suspect that an eight wheel concrete on demand vehicle will weigh 32 tonnes maximum. Even Scania and Volvo chassis have a maximum permissible weight of around 36 tonnes and DAFs 34 tonnes.

GVW 50 tonnes

http://www.renault-trucks.co.uk/k-380-520/

[GC8]

That's quite impressive for an 8x4 (which it appears to be in the picture). A Volvo 8x4 chassis usually has a maximum design weight of about 36 tonnes.

Many 4x2 traction units will have a sub 7,500kg tare weight though.

[Willy Nilly]

The driver was the guy that built it and said it was on the heaviest chassis they did. It looks like a very impressive machine.

[GC8]

It looks brilliant. Id buy one tomorrow (or as soon as the finance came through) if you could register, plate and get a type approved body for it, because 34t will half as profitable again as a 20t type.