Ban Elephant Racing
Discussion
InitialDave said:
Someone made a music video using movie car chases: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZk_i6fWn94&
That was a great video! it has car chases, pretty girls, cool cars and even a topless lady riding a motorbike; all set to a classic rock sound track. 
revvingit said:
SVTRick said:
You f
king retard
Thanks for your thoughtful and consider response.king retardPerhaps the o/p will come back and tell us how his or her suggestion will work when we are backed up behind cranes, granny or granddad chugging along ect ect.
markymarkthree said:
revvingit said:
SVTRick said:
You fking retard
Thanks for your thoughtful and consider response.king retardPerhaps the o/p will come back and tell us how his or her suggestion will work when we are backed up behind cranes, granny or granddad chugging along ect ect.
An LGV with a drawbar has a maximum length of 18.75m. Lets say one LGV overtakes another LGV. It's easier to imagine the slower vehicle to be stationary.
The moving LGV starts 5m behind, pulls out, passes and pulls in with another 5m gap. It must travel 5m + 18.75m (the length of the overtaken vehicle) + 5m +18.75m (it's own length), so a total distance of 47.5m in the outside lane.
If the speed differential is a perfectly reasonable 3mph (1.34 meters per second), then the overtaking LGV will take 35 seconds to complete the manoeuvre.
Now if one LGV is travelling at 56mph and one at 53mph, it still takes 35 seconds to complete the manoeuvre, 35 seconds at 56mph equates to 866m, about half a mile.
All of that is very reasonable and I don't think anyone would call it elephant racing.
A little while ago, southbound on the A34 I sat behind two HGVs (not LGVs) sat side by side at ~56mph for 15 miles. They were not held up by traffic in front. That is elephant racing, that is deliberately holding up traffic, that is why drivers don't let HGVs out to overtake, that is the behaviour of retarded knuckledraggers and that's what gives HGV drivers a bad name.
Perhaps the "professional" drivers here would like to explain why it should ever take longer than 35 seconds for any HGV to overtake (one) other?
It is as much the responsibility of the driver being overtaken to back off a little as it is the driver overtaking to do so reasonably. If our pro drivers can't explain, then perhaps they'd be so good as to condemn elephant racing?
N.B.
I deliberately put the word "professional" in quotes. That's not a dig at HGV drivers, I just wanted to point out that a professional driver is just someone who's profession is driving, it doesn't necessarily mean they are any good. The same should be said for most professions!
Edited by mikeveal on Tuesday 6th February 08:36
mikeveal said:
I don't think that's what the OP was suggesting.
An LGV with a drawbar has a maximum length of 18.75m. Lets say one LGV overtakes another LGV. It's easier to imagine the slower vehicle to be stationary.
The moving LGV starts 5m behind, pulls out, passes and pulls in with another 5m gap. It must travel 5m + 18.75m (the length of the overtaken vehicle) + 5m +18.75m (it's own length), so a total distance of 47.5m in the outside lane.
If the speed differential is a perfectly reasonable 3mph (1.34 meters per second), then the overtaking LGV will take 35 seconds to complete the manoeuvre.
Now if one LGV is travelling at 56mph and one at 53mph, it still takes 35 seconds to complete the manoeuvre, 35 seconds at 56mph equates to 866m, about half a mile.
All of that is very reasonable and I don't think anyone would call it elephant racing.
A little while ago, southbound on the A34 I sat behind two HGVs (not LGVs) sat side by side at ~56mph for 15 miles. They were not held up by traffic in front. That is elephant racing, that is deliberately holding up traffic, that is why drivers don't let HGVs out to overtake, that is the behaviour of retarded knuckledraggers and that's what gives HGV drivers a bad name.
Perhaps the "professional" drivers here would like to explain why it should ever take longer than 35 seconds for any HGV to overtake (one) other?
It is as much the responsibility of the driver being overtaken to back off a little as it is the driver overtaking to do so reasonably. If our pro drivers can't explain, then perhaps they'd be so good as to condemn elephant racing?
N.B.
I deliberately put the word "professional" in quotes. That's not a dig at HGV drivers, I just wanted to point out that a professional driver is just someone who's profession is driving, it doesn't necessarily mean they are any good. The same should be said for most professions!
It takes me more than 35 secs as I wont be 5 meters behind when I start my manoeuvre and when I pull in it wont be 5 meters in front of overtaken vehicle. An LGV with a drawbar has a maximum length of 18.75m. Lets say one LGV overtakes another LGV. It's easier to imagine the slower vehicle to be stationary.
The moving LGV starts 5m behind, pulls out, passes and pulls in with another 5m gap. It must travel 5m + 18.75m (the length of the overtaken vehicle) + 5m +18.75m (it's own length), so a total distance of 47.5m in the outside lane.
If the speed differential is a perfectly reasonable 3mph (1.34 meters per second), then the overtaking LGV will take 35 seconds to complete the manoeuvre.
Now if one LGV is travelling at 56mph and one at 53mph, it still takes 35 seconds to complete the manoeuvre, 35 seconds at 56mph equates to 866m, about half a mile.
All of that is very reasonable and I don't think anyone would call it elephant racing.
A little while ago, southbound on the A34 I sat behind two HGVs (not LGVs) sat side by side at ~56mph for 15 miles. They were not held up by traffic in front. That is elephant racing, that is deliberately holding up traffic, that is why drivers don't let HGVs out to overtake, that is the behaviour of retarded knuckledraggers and that's what gives HGV drivers a bad name.
Perhaps the "professional" drivers here would like to explain why it should ever take longer than 35 seconds for any HGV to overtake (one) other?
It is as much the responsibility of the driver being overtaken to back off a little as it is the driver overtaking to do so reasonably. If our pro drivers can't explain, then perhaps they'd be so good as to condemn elephant racing?
N.B.
I deliberately put the word "professional" in quotes. That's not a dig at HGV drivers, I just wanted to point out that a professional driver is just someone who's profession is driving, it doesn't necessarily mean they are any good. The same should be said for most professions!
Edited by mikeveal on Tuesday 6th February 08:36
As for the use of the word "professional", some are only pro's because they get paid.
Meanwhile looking forward to the o/p replying.
mikeveal said:
I don't think that's what the OP was suggesting.
An LGV with a drawbar has a maximum length of 18.75m. Lets say one LGV overtakes another LGV. It's easier to imagine the slower vehicle to be stationary.
The moving LGV starts 5m behind, pulls out, passes and pulls in with another 5m gap. It must travel 5m + 18.75m (the length of the overtaken vehicle) + 5m +18.75m (it's own length), so a total distance of 47.5m in the outside lane.
If the speed differential is a perfectly reasonable 3mph (1.34 meters per second), then the overtaking LGV will take 35 seconds to complete the manoeuvre.
Now if one LGV is travelling at 56mph and one at 53mph, it still takes 35 seconds to complete the manoeuvre, 35 seconds at 56mph equates to 866m, about half a mile.
All of that is very reasonable and I don't think anyone would call it elephant racing.
A little while ago, southbound on the A34 I sat behind two HGVs (not LGVs) sat side by side at ~56mph for 15 miles. They were not held up by traffic in front. That is elephant racing, that is deliberately holding up traffic, that is why drivers don't let HGVs out to overtake, that is the behaviour of retarded knuckledraggers and that's what gives HGV drivers a bad name.
Perhaps the "professional" drivers here would like to explain why it should ever take longer than 35 seconds for any HGV to overtake (one) other?
It is as much the responsibility of the driver being overtaken to back off a little as it is the driver overtaking to do so reasonably. If our pro drivers can't explain, then perhaps they'd be so good as to condemn elephant racing?
N.B.
I deliberately put the word "professional" in quotes. That's not a dig at HGV drivers, I just wanted to point out that a professional driver is just someone who's profession is driving, it doesn't necessarily mean they are any good. The same should be said for most professions!
I drive one, and the thing is now days its all about getting there on time or in an amount of time. An LGV with a drawbar has a maximum length of 18.75m. Lets say one LGV overtakes another LGV. It's easier to imagine the slower vehicle to be stationary.
The moving LGV starts 5m behind, pulls out, passes and pulls in with another 5m gap. It must travel 5m + 18.75m (the length of the overtaken vehicle) + 5m +18.75m (it's own length), so a total distance of 47.5m in the outside lane.
If the speed differential is a perfectly reasonable 3mph (1.34 meters per second), then the overtaking LGV will take 35 seconds to complete the manoeuvre.
Now if one LGV is travelling at 56mph and one at 53mph, it still takes 35 seconds to complete the manoeuvre, 35 seconds at 56mph equates to 866m, about half a mile.
All of that is very reasonable and I don't think anyone would call it elephant racing.
A little while ago, southbound on the A34 I sat behind two HGVs (not LGVs) sat side by side at ~56mph for 15 miles. They were not held up by traffic in front. That is elephant racing, that is deliberately holding up traffic, that is why drivers don't let HGVs out to overtake, that is the behaviour of retarded knuckledraggers and that's what gives HGV drivers a bad name.
Perhaps the "professional" drivers here would like to explain why it should ever take longer than 35 seconds for any HGV to overtake (one) other?
It is as much the responsibility of the driver being overtaken to back off a little as it is the driver overtaking to do so reasonably. If our pro drivers can't explain, then perhaps they'd be so good as to condemn elephant racing?
N.B.
I deliberately put the word "professional" in quotes. That's not a dig at HGV drivers, I just wanted to point out that a professional driver is just someone who's profession is driving, it doesn't necessarily mean they are any good. The same should be said for most professions!
Edited by mikeveal on Tuesday 6th February 08:36
Good friend of mine has to start from point A drive for 3 and half hrs do a delivery and then drive for 2 and half hours to a collection then get as far back towards his yard as possibly so they can sort his work the next day.
Now if he is held up that s not his fault and he ll not rush to bend the rules to make up the time hes lost.
How ever not everyone is like my mate, and they believe that that extra 0.5 mph they ve got is going to earn them the cash.
There is no excuses to be given from any "professional" as you put it, as its just pure ignorance on both parts. As the reality is 36 seconds going by your figures, which means if I was at 56 and dropped to 53 they d be gone and life would carry on.
Which is what I do.
Bit like car drivers running down the outside of a que for a slip road off the motorway and jumping in at the last minute really.
Oh and professional as you put it, we are only ever classed as that in front of the DVSA/POLICE and a JUDGE, every one else just thinks we are a hold up and a pain in the ass.
You could stop buying stuff i suppose.....
Problem is everything comes on a truck at some point and that's not going to change anytime soon.
markymarkthree said:
It takes me more than 35 secs as I wont be 5 meters behind when I start my manoeuvre and when I pull in it wont be 5 meters in front of overtaken vehicle.
As for the use of the word "professional", some are only pro's because they get paid.
Meanwhile looking forward to the o/p replying.
Yeah, that is true, most seem to leave a smaller gap than that. As for the use of the word "professional", some are only pro's because they get paid.
Meanwhile looking forward to the o/p replying.
How much gap would you like and I'll redo the sums?Double the gap... A 10 meter gap before and after increases the overtake distance from 47.5m to 57.5m. At 3mph differential, that takes 43 seconds. 43 seconds at 56mph is 1075m or 0.67miles.
I still think that's reasonable. And I'm still looking forward to the professional drivers here explaining why it should take multiple miles to overtake a single HGV, or failing that to hearing them condemn the behaviour.
Elephant racing isn't defensible.
mikeveal said:
markymarkthree said:
It takes me more than 35 secs as I wont be 5 meters behind when I start my manoeuvre and when I pull in it wont be 5 meters in front of overtaken vehicle.
As for the use of the word "professional", some are only pro's because they get paid.
Meanwhile looking forward to the o/p replying.
Yeah, that is true, most seem to leave a smaller gap than that. As for the use of the word "professional", some are only pro's because they get paid.
Meanwhile looking forward to the o/p replying.
How much gap would you like and I'll redo the sums?Double the gap... A 10 meter gap before and after increases the overtake distance from 47.5m to 57.5m. At 3mph differential, that takes 43 seconds. 43 seconds at 56mph is 1075m or 0.67miles.
I still think that's reasonable. And I'm still looking forward to the professional drivers here explaining why it should take multiple miles to overtake a single HGV, or failing that to hearing them condemn the behaviour.
Elephant racing isn't defensible.
markymarkthree said:
Sorry but I cant do the maths but I try to do the 3 sec rule thingy when in the waggon.
You must be one in a million !56mph is 25 meters per second (type "56mph in m/s" into Google, it does the maths for you.)
So 3 seconds at 56mph is 75meters. A standard HGV is 16.5 meters long, so you're leaving a gap of 4.5 truck lengths. I've never seen a driver on the A34 doing that, and I do 100 miles a day five days a week.
mikeveal said:
markymarkthree said:
Sorry but I cant do the maths but I try to do the 3 sec rule thingy when in the waggon.
You must be one in a million !56mph is 25 meters per second (type "56mph in m/s" into Google, it does the maths for you.)
So 3 seconds at 56mph is 75meters. A standard HGV is 16.5 meters long, so you're leaving a gap of 4.5 truck lengths. I've never seen a driver on the A34 doing that, and I do 100 miles a day five days a week.
p1esk said:
Six Figs said:
Black_S3 said:
One of the few sensible traffic laws we have is HGVs 58 while cars can do 70 imo.
it's 60mphFor as long as I can remember on motorways for over 7.5t it has always been 60mph in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
mikeveal said:
markymarkthree said:
Sorry but I cant do the maths but I try to do the 3 sec rule thingy when in the waggon.
You must be one in a million !56mph is 25 meters per second (type "56mph in m/s" into Google, it does the maths for you.)
So 3 seconds at 56mph is 75meters. A standard HGV is 16.5 meters long, so you're leaving a gap of 4.5 truck lengths. I've never seen a driver on the A34 doing that, and I do 100 miles a day five days a week.
Been up and down the A34 many times and still do, best keep an eye out for a brown waggon carrying plant.
cossy400 said:
3 seconds from a point the truck in front passes is never 75 meters thou is it.
Call it 60mph to make the maths easy.That's a mile a minute.
1 mile is 1609 meters.
So if you're doing 60mph, you're covering 1609meters in 60 seconds. That's 1609/60=26.8 meters every second.
At 56 mph, it's 25m/s, so yes, in 3 seconds you cover 75 meters.
markymarkthree said:
p1esk said:
Six Figs said:
Black_S3 said:
One of the few sensible traffic laws we have is HGVs 58 while cars can do 70 imo.
it's 60mphFor as long as I can remember on motorways for over 7.5t it has always been 60mph in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
p1esk said:
markymarkthree said:
p1esk said:
Six Figs said:
Black_S3 said:
One of the few sensible traffic laws we have is HGVs 58 while cars can do 70 imo.
it's 60mphFor as long as I can remember on motorways for over 7.5t it has always been 60mph in the UK.
https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits
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