7.5 tonne trucks

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V8mate

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45,899 posts

189 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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I've stayed in touch with the van and tractor unit markets, but what is the smart money buying these days for 7.5 tonne chassis cabs?

powerstroke

10,283 posts

160 months

Friday 18th May 2018
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V8mate said:
I've stayed in touch with the van and tractor unit markets, but what is the smart money buying these days for 7.5 tonne chassis cabs?
IMHO
Isuzu if payload is paramount and for short urban use.
Merc Atego best quality nice but check the weight.
Daf LF good all-round ...
hope that helps ...

grumpy52

5,577 posts

166 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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Stay well away from the Isuzu !
Only has payload going for it .
Unreliable, uncomfortable, terrible ride and a woeful auto box .
The best all rounder is the DAF . Cab space , especially the sleeper , is the MAN.
The Merc for looks .

V8mate

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Saturday 19th May 2018
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Thanks, chaps - always good to kick a thread off with some manifest disagreement thumbup

If it helps the advice, it's for local multi-drop work; flatbed rear, but needs to be able to have both a 2t-rated HIAB and a powered tail lift fitted.

LiamD

254 posts

201 months

Saturday 19th May 2018
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grumpy52 said:
Stay well away from the Isuzu !
Only has payload going for it .
Unreliable, uncomfortable, terrible ride and a woeful auto box .
The best all rounder is the DAF . Cab space , especially the sleeper , is the MAN.
The Merc for looks .
Only driven the DAF and Isuzu out of that list in 7.5t guise, would agree with what’s said here.

Isuzu has an awful turning circle, crap gearbox as mentioned. The cab is cramped, seat uncomfortable, if any driver is over 6ft they won’t thank you for choosing it.

powerstroke

10,283 posts

160 months

Sunday 20th May 2018
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Just wondering what the job is . and new or second hand ?? ...

V8mate

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Monday 21st May 2018
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powerstroke said:
Just wondering what the job is . and new or second hand ?? ...
New - it's for a new contract, and as it needs powered tail lift and a HIAB think I'd be a long time waiting for the right vehicle to come along.

In Arduis Fouette

97 posts

71 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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V8mate said:
Thanks, chaps - always good to kick a thread off with some manifest disagreement thumbup

If it helps the advice, it's for local multi-drop work; flatbed rear, but needs to be able to have both a 2t-rated HIAB and a powered tail lift fitted.
is it going to have any payload left after that ?

V8mate

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Monday 21st May 2018
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In Arduis Fouette said:
V8mate said:
Thanks, chaps - always good to kick a thread off with some manifest disagreement thumbup

If it helps the advice, it's for local multi-drop work; flatbed rear, but needs to be able to have both a 2t-rated HIAB and a powered tail lift fitted.
is it going to have any payload left after that ?
Yeah - the stuff it's collecting is awkward/bulky (hence the variety of loading options) rather than heavy.

In Arduis Fouette

97 posts

71 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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V8mate said:
Yeah - the stuff it's collecting is awkward/bulky (hence the variety of loading options) rather than heavy.
just i know that at both 3.5 t and 7.5 t payload can be an issue ...

hence the reason people rate the Isuzu at 7.5 tonne and i did something in the Yard of my current employer from Iveco which was Daily cabbed but splashing ' 7.2 tonne Mam ' across it;s box body - given they make extensive use of 7.5 tonners for home delivery ...
https://www.iveco.com/uk/products/pages/new-iveco-...

V8mate

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Monday 21st May 2018
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In Arduis Fouette said:
just i know that at both 3.5 t and 7.5 t payload can be an issue ...

hence the reason people rate the Isuzu at 7.5 tonne and i did something in the Yard of my current employer from Iveco which was Daily cabbed but splashing ' 7.2 tonne Mam ' across it;s box body - given they make extensive use of 7.5 tonners for home delivery ...
https://www.iveco.com/uk/products/pages/new-iveco-...
Isn't that because most manufacturers now use the same chassis cab models to offer vehicles from 3.5 up to 11 or 12 tonne GVW?

2 sMoKiN bArReLs

30,254 posts

235 months

Monday 21st May 2018
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What's happened to the dear old Iveco these days? A few years back the owned the 7.5t market.

grumpy52

5,577 posts

166 months

Tuesday 22nd May 2018
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One of the places I did some work for had some DAF 7.5t Urbans . Shorter wheelbase than normal so lighter ,giving a higher payload.
While there I pointed out that the 3.5t luton bodied taillifts that they were using were being overloaded every day .
Turned out that they only had a payload of 600 kgs .
My old 7.5t tilt and slide +spec lift recovery truck weighed 4.75t without load so that should give you some idea of the maximum unladen weight something of the spec you would like would be .

In Arduis Fouette

97 posts

71 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
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V8mate said:
Isn't that because most manufacturers now use the same chassis cab models to offer vehicles from 3.5 up to 11 or 12 tonne GVW?
payload is an issue at 3.5 tonnes because it's very easy to overload an XLWB 3.5 tonner - the unladen weight isn't much different ot a 5 tonne version

the 7.5 tonner issues is as you suggest as they are often not a great deal different to a 10 / 12 tonner

In Arduis Fouette

97 posts

71 months

Thursday 24th May 2018
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grumpy52 said:
One of the places I did some work for had some DAF 7.5t Urbans . Shorter wheelbase than normal so lighter ,giving a higher payload.
While there I pointed out that the 3.5t luton bodied taillifts that they were using were being overloaded every day .
Turned out that they only had a payload of 600 kgs .
My old 7.5t tilt and slide +spec lift recovery truck weighed 4.75t without load so that should give you some idea of the maximum unladen weight something of the spec you would like would be .
a 3.5 luton with a taillift is going to be overloaded with any thing other than furniture or white goods

MattCharlton91

324 posts

140 months

Friday 25th May 2018
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Not 7.5t I know, a company I used to work for gave me a '11 transit double cab with a dropside body.

Myself, basic fencing tools, generator, kango and a full tank, I had a usable payload of 850kg. As you can imagine, I was very very quickly overloaded. As a matter of interest, I loaded up what I can sensibly do in a day without busting a nut and went to be weighed at a local firms weigh bridge. I weighed in at 5.2ton. The truck didn't look or feel particularly heavy, the springs were still "smiling". There was also a paving firm on the same estate, they had a DAF 7.5t dropside with HIAB which they used for deliveries, he said he could legally carry less than x3 packs of slabs at circa 1t each.

I think unless you carry high volume but extremely low weight loads, i.e bread, fridges, etc these classes of vehicle quickly become unfit for purpose for a lot of the uses they are specified for. I dread to think how much a loaded 7.5t scaffold wagon weighs!

48k

13,077 posts

148 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
What's happened to the dear old Iveco these days?
They've all rusted away

caelite

4,274 posts

112 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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48k said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
What's happened to the dear old Iveco these days?
They've all rusted away
We run the slightly older ('12/13) shaped ones as 3.5 ton luton. Alongside Sprinter lutons of a similar age. Iveco drives like a small truck, Sprinter drives like a fat car. Which of these 'styles' are better appear to be subjective, although the Iveco auto gearbox is truly truly awful. Sprinters rust more, I know my boss did a costings of each van and I believe the Sprinters have cost us more over the years, but the Ivecos haven certainly broken down more, I think the servicing is cheaper though.

grumpy52

5,577 posts

166 months

Sunday 27th May 2018
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The DAF 7.5t double sleeper cabs that I used to drive had payloads of approx ,
Box with tail lift 2.4t
Curtainside tail lift 2.6t
Curtainsider no tail lift 2.9t
Ours had twin bunks and twin long distance fuel tanks .
The tail lifts were of the tuck under type ( utter cr#p)

V10 SPM

564 posts

251 months

Friday 1st June 2018
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The latest Iveco Eurocargo is a very flexible package with probably the best range of options on the market.