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If that is what's on the plate, that is max weight per axle. Then you can tare off on a weighbridge, which gives you your payload maximum. Doesn't really matter if you're scooting about in a quarry all day, but really does matter if you're on the road.
The weight doesn't have to include the driver, thankfully, as one of ours must weigh half a tonne.
The weight doesn't have to include the driver, thankfully, as one of ours must weigh half a tonne.
One Amp Andy said:
If that is what's on the plate, that is max weight per axle. Then you can tare off on a weighbridge, which gives you your payload maximum. Doesn't really matter if you're scooting about in a quarry all day, but really does matter if you're on the road.
The weight doesn't have to include the driver, thankfully, as one of ours must weigh half a tonne.
I am sure HSE would have something to say about vehicle and axle weights on a work site.The weight doesn't have to include the driver, thankfully, as one of ours must weigh half a tonne.
keith-iow said:
Hi All,
Can someone please help me understand lorry size?
If a lorry has a 20 Tonne load 4 axle, is that the max load of 20 Tonnes plus the weight of the lorry, i.e. unloaded?
If so, would that lorry be something like a Scania P370?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
That is a 32 tonne wagon. It carries a notional 20 tonnes, but in reality it will be less. If it is an alloy bodied asphalt tipper than it will be around 19.5 tonnes. If it is a steel bodied 'muck-away' type vehicle then it might weigh (tare) approaching 14 tonnes and as a result it will carry just over 18t. Can someone please help me understand lorry size?
If a lorry has a 20 Tonne load 4 axle, is that the max load of 20 Tonnes plus the weight of the lorry, i.e. unloaded?
If so, would that lorry be something like a Scania P370?
Thanks in advance for any replies.
As you can see from this, you will not be getting 20 tonnes brought in, or carried away, on a '20 tonne wagon', but you will probably be told that you are, and charged for it. If it has a a grab on too, then it will carry as much as a regular six wheeler (16 tonnes).
10 tonne: two axles, 'four wheeler' - 18 tonnes gross
16 tonne: three axles, 'six wheeler' - 26 tonnes gross
20 tonne: four axles, 'eight wheeler' - 32 tonnes gross
Finally, yes, a P cab Scania with a 370-410 engine would be what I'd expect.
10 tonne: two axles, 'four wheeler' - 18 tonnes gross
16 tonne: three axles, 'six wheeler' - 26 tonnes gross
20 tonne: four axles, 'eight wheeler' - 32 tonnes gross
Finally, yes, a P cab Scania with a 370-410 engine would be what I'd expect.
Pica-Pica said:
One Amp Andy said:
If that is what's on the plate, that is max weight per axle. Then you can tare off on a weighbridge, which gives you your payload maximum. Doesn't really matter if you're scooting about in a quarry all day, but really does matter if you're on the road.
The weight doesn't have to include the driver, thankfully, as one of ours must weigh half a tonne.
I am sure HSE would have something to say about vehicle and axle weights on a work site.The weight doesn't have to include the driver, thankfully, as one of ours must weigh half a tonne.
There was a place down near Cheddar gorge we used to go with this problem. Seriously, CB is your friend in this situation. All get on the same channel, and communicate, easy.
Any more advice you need, let me know. I run a haulage firm, and know most of the ( utter s
te) needed.
Edited to add, is it Blackwater quarry?
Any more advice you need, let me know. I run a haulage firm, and know most of the ( utter s
te) needed.Edited to add, is it Blackwater quarry?
Edited by One Amp Andy on Saturday 7th May 14:36
keith-iow said:
Thanks for all the replies, I now understand the situation.
The issue I have is with a local planning application for gravel extraction for 10 years.
The only access they have to the site is a width restricted road with a 2 metre limit, which is a public road.
As I understand it, a lorry of the size proposed would be at least 2.5 metres width plus mirrors.
They claim they can control the vehicle timings so the 2 lorries they plan to use will not meet on the access road, but haven't explained what will happen if other vehicles meet!
If the width restricted road is a hard 2 metre restriction, ie. with kerbs, bollards etc, then it doesn't matter how good your coordination is, the trucks aren't getting through. It'll be 8ft tyre to tyre on the rears of a 32t tipper, which is 2.44 metres, and that's without any wiggle room to manoeuvre. Tippers are usually fitted with CBs by their drivers by default so they'll already be in communication with each other.The issue I have is with a local planning application for gravel extraction for 10 years.
The only access they have to the site is a width restricted road with a 2 metre limit, which is a public road.
As I understand it, a lorry of the size proposed would be at least 2.5 metres width plus mirrors.
They claim they can control the vehicle timings so the 2 lorries they plan to use will not meet on the access road, but haven't explained what will happen if other vehicles meet!
The road sign says 2m 6'6", the road has no pavements, the edge of the road is either a bank or a bit of run off.
It's not Blackwater but a new quarry they are trying to get permission for.
The route is also part of the coastal path and cycle way. There is no way cars can comply with the highway code re overtaking distance never mind a 2.5 m wide truck.
It's not Blackwater but a new quarry they are trying to get permission for.
The route is also part of the coastal path and cycle way. There is no way cars can comply with the highway code re overtaking distance never mind a 2.5 m wide truck.
One Amp Andy said:
There was a place down near Cheddar gorge we used to go with this problem. Seriously, CB is your friend in this situation. All get on the same channel, and communicate, easy.
Any more advice you need, let me know. I run a haulage firm, and know most of the ( utter ste) needed.
Edited to add, is it Blackwater quarry?
I read this that the OP wants to use the info to contest a planning application. Any more advice you need, let me know. I run a haulage firm, and know most of the ( utter s
te) needed.Edited to add, is it Blackwater quarry?
Edited by One Amp Andy on Saturday 7th May 14:36
Mr MXT said:
One Amp Andy said:
There was a place down near Cheddar gorge we used to go with this problem. Seriously, CB is your friend in this situation. All get on the same channel, and communicate, easy.
Any more advice you need, let me know. I run a haulage firm, and know most of the ( utter ste) needed.
Edited to add, is it Blackwater quarry?
I read this that the OP wants to use the info to contest a planning application. Any more advice you need, let me know. I run a haulage firm, and know most of the ( utter s
te) needed.Edited to add, is it Blackwater quarry?
Edited by One Amp Andy on Saturday 7th May 14:36
k up then shall I? I could give the OP some decent operating information regarding weights, operator local relations, and help with applications. But what do I know?Mr MXT said:
One Amp Andy said:
I'll shut the fk up then shall I? I could give the OP some decent operating information regarding weights, operator local relations, and help with applications. But what do I know?
Wind your neck in, I was only pointing it out.k up then shall I? I could give the OP some decent operating information regarding weights, operator local relations, and help with applications. But what do I know?t going on, but also wanted to help. I have some experience on the island and offered to help. fking short fused at the moment. Sorry for my reply.keith-iow said:
No, it's a public road between two villages.
I forgot to say there is an old brick bridge which has been there for many years and not to our knowledge been upgraded to carry 32 tonne lorries.
I see now. It's become clear from this comment that you are wanting help and info to contest the planning application, not the other way round. I'm out.I forgot to say there is an old brick bridge which has been there for many years and not to our knowledge been upgraded to carry 32 tonne lorries.
FYI, if the bridge doesn't have a weight restriction then it can take 44 tonnes, so forget about trying to use that as your argument.
keith-iow said:
The road sign says 2m 6'6", the road has no pavements, the edge of the road is either a bank or a bit of run off.
It's not Blackwater but a new quarry they are trying to get permission for.
The route is also part of the coastal path and cycle way. There is no way cars can comply with the highway code re overtaking distance never mind a 2.5 m wide truck.
Maybe the company has a decent sized dozer and could widen the road ?? It's not Blackwater but a new quarry they are trying to get permission for.
The route is also part of the coastal path and cycle way. There is no way cars can comply with the highway code re overtaking distance never mind a 2.5 m wide truck.
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