The price of vans now wtf

[m3jappa]

I wouldn't mind a new or at least newer van and i am in total shock at the prices of them. I need a tipper and what im seeing is actually quite a problem for me and i imagine many other tradesman.

A new transit chassis cab, so thats with no body is 41k plus vat! REALLY

used transits are fking 20 grand plus vat with 70k miles on them and are 6 or 7 years old. Sprinters the same.

in 2015 i bought a new mitsubishi canter tipper with ali body for 20.5k plus vat. That same thing is now around 32k plus.

Will this soften, or is this now it.

Theres no way i would spend 40k on a fking van that cant even legally carry much anyway. I would much rather drive a banger and put the money towards a bloody McLaren which if a transit is 50k with the vat a used McLaren is actually starting to look cheap

Anyway, thats quite a problem for most business surely, i am just a small company and i cant get my head round it, what about large companies that need 100 vans, the costs must be eye watering.

[Chicken Chaser]

I saw someone speccing up a Vito panel van at £45k the other day. Madness

[trashbat]

I don't know anything else about vans, and I don't have access to this info any more, but until mid last year I had pricing info for the FCA bit of Stellantis, Fiat basically, and their 'Affinity' scheme. Every single van except EVs was available at 39% less than list. So you might want to poke into what deals are actually available.

[Mammasaid]

m3jappa said:

I wouldn't mind a new or at least newer van and i am in total shock at the prices of them. I need a tipper and what im seeing is actually quite a problem for me and i imagine many other tradesman.

A new transit chassis cab, so thats with no body is 41k plus vat! REALLY

used transits are fking 20 grand plus vat with 70k miles on them and are 6 or 7 years old. Sprinters the same.

in 2015 i bought a new mitsubishi canter tipper with ali body for 20.5k plus vat. That same thing is now around 32k plus.

Will this soften, or is this now it.

Theres no way i would spend 40k on a fking van that cant even legally carry much anyway. I would much rather drive a banger and put the money towards a bloody McLaren which if a transit is 50k with the vat a used McLaren is actually starting to look cheap

Anyway, thats quite a problem for most business surely, i am just a small company and i cant get my head round it, what about large companies that need 100 vans, the costs must be eye watering.

5/10 could do better, a quick autotrader search gives plenty of 2017 on tippers at around £16-17k, e,g

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202110198...

Oh, and a brand new one can be bought for under £30k;

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202209270...

Edited by Mammasaid on Saturday 21st January 09:00

[m3jappa]

Mammasaid said:

5/10 could do better, a quick autotrader search gives plenty of 2017 on tippers at around £16-17k, e,g

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202110198...

Oh, and a brand new one can be bought for under £30k;

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202209270...

Edited by Mammasaid on Saturday 21st January 09:00

The first one is 6 years old with 50k on it and old shape. so not for me. still strong money for what it is. 3 years ago that sort of thing would have been closer to 12k plus vat which is then reasonable.

Second one, ok i will fully take that on the chin, i haven't seen anything like that and its much more palatable.

Either way still an incredible amount of money for a van.

[GranpaB]

I am seriously considering a new Vito L1 as in all honesty, the transporters and vivaros and the like are really uncomfortable on the road.

Yes they are a bit basic in the cab but i dont drive around looking at it!

[Djtemeka]

Bought my vivaro sportive with alloy wheels in 2015 for 15.5 ex vat.
Pre reg. 70 miles on the clock. Was 24k ex vat new then.

Wanted to trade it in at 4 years old but they offered me £5k for it.

I kept it and now the closest spec van to mine is £12k!

My van is appreciating faster than my house

[fridaypassion]

Vans have got so expensive that VW T5/6 don't look that expensive now. Same old issue supply is really badly affected or engineered now but the manufacturers. Big fleet buyers will just suck the cost up but for those of us spending our own money it's hard.

[Yodafone]

So basically it will be about £50k for a new tipper.

I reckon if possible to fit a tow bar you can get a trailer on one of these and still have some change for running it for maybe a year or 2 (a big maybe) depending which one you pick

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2023012134...

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2022120121...

Edited by Yodafone on Monday 23 January 08:15

Edited by Yodafone on Monday 23 January 08:15

[m3jappa]

Its funny now that if you were to turn up to quote in a new transit people wouldn't think twice, yet turn up in an aston and you must be charging too much.

Fortunately i live in a place where everyone seems to know me anyway so might just go for an aston and tow bar for work

[WarrenB]

m3jappa said:

Mammasaid said:

5/10 could do better, a quick autotrader search gives plenty of 2017 on tippers at around £16-17k, e,g

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202110198...

Oh, and a brand new one can be bought for under £30k;

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/van-details/202209270...

Edited by Mammasaid on Saturday 21st January 09:00

The first one is 6 years old with 50k on it and old shape. so not for me. still strong money for what it is. 3 years ago that sort of thing would have been closer to 12k plus vat which is then reasonable.

Second one, ok i will fully take that on the chin, i haven't seen anything like that and its much more palatable.

Either way still an incredible amount of money for a van.

I bought my current van at three years old. Limited spec Mk7 Transit. Paid £8k for it.

You'd fully expect an equivalent model at three years old to be no more than £10-12k, taking into account inflation and all that. But this last few years things have gone insane. My dad bought a Custom brand new, ran it for three years and 50k miles and sold it last summer for more than he paid for it.

Time has come for me to retire the faithful Mk7. Been in to the dealers today who said it's going to be a 12+ month wait for a factory build as demand is still insane. Guess that's why used prices are still high as a lot of people can't wait that long for a van. I'm hoping for some sort of miracle and a deal on a last of the current gen model before the new one.....

[Chicken Chaser]

Strangely enough, I just ran my Vito through a few sales sites, a 2017 dualiner with 34k on. £12000 I should be grateful for apparently, when I can't really find anything going for less than double that.

[stubert_]

I bought my 66 plate Trafic Sport SWB in 2017 from a friend for £14400 with 18,000 miles on the clock (a very cheap price at the time)

I sold it in July privately for £12000 with 90,000 on it and that was probably a bit cheap too.

The local Renault guys I took it to for the services and warranty work told me if I wanted a new one to the same(ish) spec I would be looking at 35k and a 12 month wait. Long gone are the days when Renault Retail where selling the vans for 16k+vat with 80 miles on them all parked up at Leeds Bradford airport :-(

I heard Ford stopped selling to fleets as they could sell to smaller firms at full retail price (not a great long term relationship builder and a great way to P1ss off your bigger customers).

I am glad i don't have to buy one at the moment

I bought a shed estate instead of another van btw

[m3jappa]

Im going to leave it a while as the prices are just too much.

I would honestly rather use what we have (they look tidy anyway) and put the money towards a real fun car!

Its a shame that to drive a 7.5t you have to do the test, i could put one of my lads through and give him the 7.5t but if he leaves im fked.

I guess thats why 7.5t tippers are so cheap compared to 3.5t tippers.

Its laughable really as the test is not really any different to a normal driving test. They must also realise that most vans and tippers are driven well over weight because they take next to no realistic weight, so why not just make it more accessible?

[LJF_97]

Pickup truck & trailer not a better option?

[One Amp Andy]

m3jappa said:

Im going to leave it a while as the prices are just too much.

I would honestly rather use what we have (they look tidy anyway) and put the money towards a real fun car!

Its a shame that to drive a 7.5t you have to do the test, i could put one of my lads through and give him the 7.5t but if he leaves im fked.

I guess thats why 7.5t tippers are so cheap compared to 3.5t tippers.

Its laughable really as the test is not really any different to a normal driving test. They must also realise that most vans and tippers are driven well over weight because they take next to no realistic weight, so why not just make it more accessible?

Hi mate, hope you're well.
One option you have is to get a 7.5t and downplate it? Bit of a faff, but can be done. Wouldn't carry much mind!

[A500leroy]

m3jappa said:

Im going to leave it a while as the prices are just too much.

I would honestly rather use what we have (they look tidy anyway) and put the money towards a real fun car!

Its a shame that to drive a 7.5t you have to do the test, i could put one of my lads through and give him the 7.5t but if he leaves im fked.

I guess thats why 7.5t tippers are so cheap compared to 3.5t tippers.

Its laughable really as the test is not really any different to a normal driving test. They must also realise that most vans and tippers are driven well over weight because they take next to no realistic weight, so why not just make it more accessible?

Do the test yourself?

[_Rodders_]

I worked for a sole trader in the wedding/marquee industry back when I left Uni.

He put us all through our B+E training at a guess circa £750 a pop if you passed first time.

I only worked there a year but I appreciated him doing it as before the rules changed it was very useful and I worked hard for him while I was there because he was a good boss.

Invest in your employees if it'll benefit the business.

[m3jappa]

Even though i have been on here about 20 years i still dont know how to multi quote

Pickup and trailer is just a pain in the arse, had a trailer before and tbh hated it. Parking it being the main issue. They are good though for the right circumstances.

I do have the 7.5 licence myself, one of the best things i have done.

I could well put one of the boys through and should do really. I could replace his van with a 7.5t and then replace my van (a 2016 canter 3.5t) with a newer nicer transit.

I mean this isn't a major issue, i just thought to myself that i dont often use my 3.5t tipper much now as use the 7.5t but when i do use it im not really carrying the weight and it would be better to have something nicer than a canter to use.

[Stomnnorm]

Prices on all new vehicles continue to increase.

Most manufactures had 1, maybe 2 price rises a year pre Covid, Now there seems to be one every 2-3 months. Unfortunately, factory orders don’t seem to be slowing down, so there is no real reason for the manufacturers to reduce their prices.

Also, due to components, the factories of some manufacturers can’t produce at full capacity. So go to brands can charge a premium knowing they will sell all of their production.

Regarding the Transit link above, it’s the base model and single rear wheel. Even the lease companies are ordering better specs as they sell better as used vehicles and the difference in RV is far greater than the initial outlay. Like it says, the single rear wheel offers a better payload, but for a tipper and also towing, it just doesn’t perform like a twin rear wheel. Twin rear wheels still offer 1t, but also offer better stability and greater axle loads. It’s just as bad to be over loaded on an axle as it is to be over the GVW.

Regarding a 7.5t, the company will also need an O license. It’s not just whether or not someone has the license to drive it.

I can’t see prices coming down in the very near future, but it is worth looking into the super deduction currently in place. Until the end of this financial year, you are able to offset up to 130% of the value you pay, so potentially it does help with the heightened prices.

Edited as it it looks like you already have a 7.5t, so know about the O license.

Edited by Stomnnorm on Monday 6th February 21:56