Methods of a car thief - unmasked
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unfortunately car theft is once again on the rise.... i've been the victim myself recently....
one way to fight back is to share knowledge of how they work, and this thread is exactly that, i've decided to share the knowledge i've gained on the topic - the better educated we are, the harder it'll be for them i suppose....
mods, i think it should be a sticky, and i'd be most grateful if people didn't take it off track, and only add constructively...
where to start....
the obd port thing... and electronic keys.... if a thief can access the obd port, they can reprogram the car to work with another key (or reprogram another key) .... was a big thing for bmw's at one point as the port could be accessed easily via the drivers window, i've heard of some people getting the obd port electronically switched off... would be good for someone to post a list of the most vulnerable make/cars
http://www.advanced-incar.co.uk/2017/03/09/keyless...
key block and cloning.... when you bip the fob to open or lock the door, the thief, who has to be physically nearby, either blocks the signal with a jammer, or records the signal.... i set my wing mirrors to retract on locking, so i'll know as i walk away the car has locked, you can lock and pull the handle, but how many walk off as locking..... if your signal is recorded, the key is cloned.... not much you can do there i suppose
car jacking.... seemingly on the rise..... if you are in the car, having auto door locking on and keeping the windows closed is a good place to start.... in a car park, get off your phone etc and have your senses about you, esp if you walking to your car and you think you're being followed, walk on and dont go near your car..... seems targeted cars are followed at times, and i've read some stories of people realising they were being followed, so obviously if you are, drive somewhere safe and public, not home! also, be weary of being pulled by a fake cop car, helping a broken down car, and this one's great - if you get eggs thrown on your screen, do not activate your wipers, drive as is..... wipers and cleaner and egg white mixes badly, you'll have to pull over in yards!
keyless entry... the fob is always transmitting.... this is the new thing on the block at the moment.... thieves use an ariel receiver to pick up this signal and then boost it to access and drive away your car... mainly used for cars parked on driveways etc.... you can by 'faraday' pouches of amazon to put your keys into, and they block the signal... dont keep your keys near the door/front of house is the other thing... dont order keyless entry on a new car.... such a gimmick and for the truly lazy!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...
theft with keys... they break into your house, or fish the keys you via your letter box if you allow them too.... parking on your driveway is seemingly not a good thing now! obviously be vigilant re being followed home but i have read of cases where gps trackers have been placed onto target cars and then tracked later! there are tiny pet trackers now that could be placed anywhere with a bit of tape/glue
re gps trackers... most work off a sim card and can be blocked by simple devices.... battery powered ones are the ones used to track your car by them... you can use them too, great to hide anywhere but you have to change the battery regularly.... you can buy wired systems eg https://www.autocom-shop.co.uk/product/gps-bike-tr... which doesn't seem a big outlay really..... read a lot of stories re the cars being parked up once stolen to see if tracked so maybe blockers are not that common... a real pro won't care i guess..... the subscription systems require a fob and car to be together.... but not sure that matters if the cars signal is blocked!
key swap..... suppose this is most pertinent to sellers/dealers, but the thief switching the spare key for another or a fake during a viewing
not sure i've covered everything, but i'll add later if i remember more....
i've not listed 'hot cars' here, but it seems 4wd german hot hatches and rs models are very popular for getaway cars and breaking, and suv's for export out of country
i've also not gone into prevention devices.... really think the manufacturers need to do more, esp this keyless thing, seems a joke.... seems like the good old physical locking devices for the steering wheel are coming back in fashion...
and happy to be corrected if ive said something incorrect
one way to fight back is to share knowledge of how they work, and this thread is exactly that, i've decided to share the knowledge i've gained on the topic - the better educated we are, the harder it'll be for them i suppose....
mods, i think it should be a sticky, and i'd be most grateful if people didn't take it off track, and only add constructively...
where to start....
the obd port thing... and electronic keys.... if a thief can access the obd port, they can reprogram the car to work with another key (or reprogram another key) .... was a big thing for bmw's at one point as the port could be accessed easily via the drivers window, i've heard of some people getting the obd port electronically switched off... would be good for someone to post a list of the most vulnerable make/cars
http://www.advanced-incar.co.uk/2017/03/09/keyless...
key block and cloning.... when you bip the fob to open or lock the door, the thief, who has to be physically nearby, either blocks the signal with a jammer, or records the signal.... i set my wing mirrors to retract on locking, so i'll know as i walk away the car has locked, you can lock and pull the handle, but how many walk off as locking..... if your signal is recorded, the key is cloned.... not much you can do there i suppose
car jacking.... seemingly on the rise..... if you are in the car, having auto door locking on and keeping the windows closed is a good place to start.... in a car park, get off your phone etc and have your senses about you, esp if you walking to your car and you think you're being followed, walk on and dont go near your car..... seems targeted cars are followed at times, and i've read some stories of people realising they were being followed, so obviously if you are, drive somewhere safe and public, not home! also, be weary of being pulled by a fake cop car, helping a broken down car, and this one's great - if you get eggs thrown on your screen, do not activate your wipers, drive as is..... wipers and cleaner and egg white mixes badly, you'll have to pull over in yards!
keyless entry... the fob is always transmitting.... this is the new thing on the block at the moment.... thieves use an ariel receiver to pick up this signal and then boost it to access and drive away your car... mainly used for cars parked on driveways etc.... you can by 'faraday' pouches of amazon to put your keys into, and they block the signal... dont keep your keys near the door/front of house is the other thing... dont order keyless entry on a new car.... such a gimmick and for the truly lazy!
http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/consumer-new...
theft with keys... they break into your house, or fish the keys you via your letter box if you allow them too.... parking on your driveway is seemingly not a good thing now! obviously be vigilant re being followed home but i have read of cases where gps trackers have been placed onto target cars and then tracked later! there are tiny pet trackers now that could be placed anywhere with a bit of tape/glue
re gps trackers... most work off a sim card and can be blocked by simple devices.... battery powered ones are the ones used to track your car by them... you can use them too, great to hide anywhere but you have to change the battery regularly.... you can buy wired systems eg https://www.autocom-shop.co.uk/product/gps-bike-tr... which doesn't seem a big outlay really..... read a lot of stories re the cars being parked up once stolen to see if tracked so maybe blockers are not that common... a real pro won't care i guess..... the subscription systems require a fob and car to be together.... but not sure that matters if the cars signal is blocked!
key swap..... suppose this is most pertinent to sellers/dealers, but the thief switching the spare key for another or a fake during a viewing
not sure i've covered everything, but i'll add later if i remember more....
i've not listed 'hot cars' here, but it seems 4wd german hot hatches and rs models are very popular for getaway cars and breaking, and suv's for export out of country
i've also not gone into prevention devices.... really think the manufacturers need to do more, esp this keyless thing, seems a joke.... seems like the good old physical locking devices for the steering wheel are coming back in fashion...
and happy to be corrected if ive said something incorrect
Edited by 70proof on Sunday 19th November 19:32
Krikkit said:
I quite like keyless entry - takes the faff out of finding buttons etc especially when carrying shopping etc.
it also makes your car an easy theft. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4977134/Th...
Edited by 70proof on Thursday 11th January 14:12
70proof said:
key block and cloning.... when you bip the fob to open or lock the door, the thief, who has to be physically nearby, either blocks the signal with a jammer, or records the signal.... i set my wing mirrors to retract on locking, so i'll know as i walk away the car has locked, you can lock and pull the handle, but how many walk off as locking..... if your signal is recorded, the key is cloned.... not much you can do there i suppose
static codes arent used now are they?regardless, they can intercept rolling codes now - rolling codes use an algorithm that only the fob and car brain know so the "correct" unlock code appears random to anyone trying to intercept - scumbag uses device that both jams your code when you try to unlock and records it, you think "oh it didn't work" and press fob again, scumbag again jams and records, then plays back first code transmitted and you car unlocks. scumbag now has the next code in sequence, which is what the car is expecting. You walk off and he unlocks your car.
Basically if the car fails to unlock on first attempt, just discretely press the fob a couple of times when you're done to roll the code forward.
70proof said:
Krikkit said:
I quite like keyless entry - takes the faff out of finding buttons etc especially when carrying shopping etc.
please dont take this thread off topic with stupid comments like this, good for you btw, it also makes your car an easy theft. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4977134/Th...
Edited by 70proof on Sunday 19th November 10:13
70proof said:
unfortunately car theft is once again on the rise.... i've been the victim myself recently....
one way to fight back is to share knowledge of how they work, and this thread is exactly that, i've decided to share the knowledge i've gained on the topic - the better educated we are, the harder it'll be for them i suppose....
mods, i think it should be a sticky, and i'd be most grateful if people didn't take it off track, and only add constructively...
where to start....
the obd port thing... and electronic keys.... if a thief can access the obd port, they can reprogram the car to work with another key (or reprogram another key) .... was a big thing for bmw's at one point as the port could be accessed easily via the drivers window, i've heard of some people getting the obd port electronically switched off... would be good for someone to post a list of the most vulnerable make/cars
key block and cloning.... when you bip the fob to open or lock the door, the thief, who has to be physically nearby, either blocks the signal with a jammer, or records the signal.... i set my wing mirrors to retract on locking, so i'll know as i walk away the car has locked, you can lock and pull the handle, but how many walk off as locking..... if your signal is recorded, the key is cloned.... not much you can do there i suppose
car jacking.... seemingly on the rise..... if you are in the car, having auto door locking on and keeping the windows closed is a good place to start.... in a car park, get off your phone etc and have your senses about you, esp if you walking to your car and you think you're being followed, walk on and dont go near your car..... seems targeted cars are followed at times, and i've read some stories of people realising they were being followed, so obviously if you are, drive somewhere safe and public, not home! also, be weary of being pulled by a fake cop car, helping a broken down car, and this one's great - if you get eggs thrown on your screen, do not activate your wipers, drive as is..... wipers and cleaner and egg white mixes badly, you'll have to pull over in yards!
keyless entry... the fob is always transmitting.... this is the new thing on the block at the moment.... thieves use an ariel receiver to pick up this signal and then boost it to access and drive away your car... mainly used for cars parked on driveways etc.... you can by 'faraday' pouches of amazon to put your keys into, and they block the signal... dont keep your keys near the door/front of house is the other thing... dont order keyless entry on a new car.... such a gimmick and for the truly lazy!
theft with keys... they break into your house, or fish the keys you via your letter box if you allow them too.... parking on your driveway is seemingly not a good thing now! obviously be vigilant re being followed home but i have read of cases where gps trackers have been placed onto target cars and then tracked later! there are tiny pet trackers now that could be placed anywhere with a bit of tape/glue
re gps trackers... most work off a sim card and can be blocked by simple devices.... battery powered ones are the ones used to track your car by them... you can use them too, great to hide anywhere but you have to change the battery regularly.... you can buy wired systems eg https://www.autocom-shop.co.uk/product/gps-bike-tr... which doesn't seem a big outlay really..... read a lot of stories re the cars being parked up once stolen to see if tracked so maybe blockers are not that common... a real pro won't care i guess..... the subscription systems require a fob and car to be together.... but not sure that matters if the cars signal is blocked!
key swap..... suppose this is most pertinent to sellers/dealers, but the thief switching the spare key for another or a fake during a viewing
not sure i've covered everything, but i'll add later if i remember more....
i've not listed 'hot cars' here, but it seems 4wd german hot hatches and rs models are very popular for getaway cars and breaking, and suv's for export out of country
i've also not gone into prevention devices.... really think the manufacturers need to do more, esp this keyless thing, seems a joke.... seems like the good old physical locking devices for the steering wheel are coming back in fashion...
and happy to be corrected if ive said something incorrect
Golf R is a cracking bit of kit.one way to fight back is to share knowledge of how they work, and this thread is exactly that, i've decided to share the knowledge i've gained on the topic - the better educated we are, the harder it'll be for them i suppose....
mods, i think it should be a sticky, and i'd be most grateful if people didn't take it off track, and only add constructively...
where to start....
the obd port thing... and electronic keys.... if a thief can access the obd port, they can reprogram the car to work with another key (or reprogram another key) .... was a big thing for bmw's at one point as the port could be accessed easily via the drivers window, i've heard of some people getting the obd port electronically switched off... would be good for someone to post a list of the most vulnerable make/cars
key block and cloning.... when you bip the fob to open or lock the door, the thief, who has to be physically nearby, either blocks the signal with a jammer, or records the signal.... i set my wing mirrors to retract on locking, so i'll know as i walk away the car has locked, you can lock and pull the handle, but how many walk off as locking..... if your signal is recorded, the key is cloned.... not much you can do there i suppose
car jacking.... seemingly on the rise..... if you are in the car, having auto door locking on and keeping the windows closed is a good place to start.... in a car park, get off your phone etc and have your senses about you, esp if you walking to your car and you think you're being followed, walk on and dont go near your car..... seems targeted cars are followed at times, and i've read some stories of people realising they were being followed, so obviously if you are, drive somewhere safe and public, not home! also, be weary of being pulled by a fake cop car, helping a broken down car, and this one's great - if you get eggs thrown on your screen, do not activate your wipers, drive as is..... wipers and cleaner and egg white mixes badly, you'll have to pull over in yards!
keyless entry... the fob is always transmitting.... this is the new thing on the block at the moment.... thieves use an ariel receiver to pick up this signal and then boost it to access and drive away your car... mainly used for cars parked on driveways etc.... you can by 'faraday' pouches of amazon to put your keys into, and they block the signal... dont keep your keys near the door/front of house is the other thing... dont order keyless entry on a new car.... such a gimmick and for the truly lazy!
theft with keys... they break into your house, or fish the keys you via your letter box if you allow them too.... parking on your driveway is seemingly not a good thing now! obviously be vigilant re being followed home but i have read of cases where gps trackers have been placed onto target cars and then tracked later! there are tiny pet trackers now that could be placed anywhere with a bit of tape/glue
re gps trackers... most work off a sim card and can be blocked by simple devices.... battery powered ones are the ones used to track your car by them... you can use them too, great to hide anywhere but you have to change the battery regularly.... you can buy wired systems eg https://www.autocom-shop.co.uk/product/gps-bike-tr... which doesn't seem a big outlay really..... read a lot of stories re the cars being parked up once stolen to see if tracked so maybe blockers are not that common... a real pro won't care i guess..... the subscription systems require a fob and car to be together.... but not sure that matters if the cars signal is blocked!
key swap..... suppose this is most pertinent to sellers/dealers, but the thief switching the spare key for another or a fake during a viewing
not sure i've covered everything, but i'll add later if i remember more....
i've not listed 'hot cars' here, but it seems 4wd german hot hatches and rs models are very popular for getaway cars and breaking, and suv's for export out of country
i've also not gone into prevention devices.... really think the manufacturers need to do more, esp this keyless thing, seems a joke.... seems like the good old physical locking devices for the steering wheel are coming back in fashion...
and happy to be corrected if ive said something incorrect
Edited by 70proof on Sunday 19th November 10:22
70proof said:
janesmith1950 said:
The OP is well meaning but perhaps a little socially less-abled.
I politely request the thread be kept on topic in my first post, ta very muchFor reference car crime is much lower than it used to be so key less go in itself is fine, just keep your key close
[quote=70proof]unfortunately car theft is once again on the rise.... i've been the victim myself recently....
one way to fight back is to share knowledge of how they work, and this thread is exactly that, i've decided to share the knowledge i've gained on the topic - the better educated we are, the harder it'll be for them i suppose....
mods, i think it should be a sticky, and i'd be most grateful if people didn't take it off track, and only add constructively...
and happy to be corrected if ive said something incorrect
one way to fight back is to share knowledge of how they work, and this thread is exactly that, i've decided to share the knowledge i've gained on the topic - the better educated we are, the harder it'll be for them i suppose....
mods, i think it should be a sticky, and i'd be most grateful if people didn't take it off track, and only add constructively...
and happy to be corrected if ive said something incorrect
Jag_NE said:
Golf R is a cracking bit of kit.
It is indeed, and a target for the theives along with the S3, rs3.... Theft rates are about 9 in 1000 cars, so absolute risk is still low.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/boxing/2017/03/25/micha...
Edited by 70proof on Sunday 19th November 11:35
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