Is there a god/Allah/Supreme being?

Is there a god/Allah/Supreme being?

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andy mac

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73,668 posts

255 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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I personally believe that we are all little forms of life, in the same way as an ameoaba, a dog, a Giraffe are. There is not supreme being, and see absolutely no reason why there should be one. I know people believe in this being out of comfort, and its easier than facing the reality that we are all worm food, but does anyone have any good reason to belive in a 'god'?
I would believe the reality of 2001, of little green men, and the old kiddy classic that we are in an agar dish, over the religion spouted in todays society, so why do people believe it? Blind faith is not a reason in my book, more like a willing admittance to being unresponsible for your own life... Please discuss... as this subject fascinates me at the moment!

plotloss

67,280 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Its an easy out for those that couldnt be bothered to finish 'The origin of species' by a chap called Darwin...

andy mac

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255 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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hornet

6,333 posts

250 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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No. Why should there be? We're just a bunch of atoms stuck on a rock orbiting an average star in the suburbs of an average galaxy. I think we attach way too much importance to ourselves sometimes.

vixpy1

42,624 posts

264 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Look at the action of chance around us, then imagine this chance creating all the different bones, flesh and functions of animals and the complex cells of plants..... I think not.

billb

3,198 posts

265 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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yes but he retired

all hail brain clough

planetdave

9,921 posts

253 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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There is no god.


Unless you can prove otherwise.

wedg1e

26,801 posts

265 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Not for me.

plotloss

67,280 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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planetdave said:
There is no god.


Unless you can prove otherwise.


That reminds me of the Rowan Atkinson Jesus on the shores of Gallilee bit.

...and he turned water in wine and created 5000 loaves and fish to feed the people


...and they enquired of him 'Do you do childrens parties?'

lazyitus

19,926 posts

266 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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planetdave said:
There is no god.


Unless you can prove otherwise.


On the other hand, you can't prove there isn't?

Disclaimer: I don't necessarily believe there is

planetdave

9,921 posts

253 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Don't need to and can take my ball home. So there. Ner ner ni ner ner.

W4dge

4,688 posts

239 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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If there is a God I'd like a bit of devine intervention right now...

MilnerR

8,273 posts

258 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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If there is a supreme being then i take my hat off to him/her/it for having a sense of humour that really appeals to me.

AlexH

2,505 posts

284 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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I have to say that while I'm not religious, I do find there seems to be rather rampant atheism on PH, which I find a bit depressing. I called myself an atheist for a good few of my teenage years until I found out what an agnostic is, and I've regarded myself as one ever since. Just as the religious types can't prove God does exist, the atheists can't prove he doesn't...so AFAIC that leaves us agnostics taking the most sensible position in the middle.
Many embodiments of religion, particularly organised religion (which I think has been badly manipulated force throughout the ages and today, even if it has provided us with some rather good architecture ), along with the taking of ancient religious texts literally I find highly dubious, but I have no problem with those do wish (without imposing their views on others) to wish/hope/believe that we are not just 'worm food'. As far as I'm aware, science has not yet predicted what was going on before the big bang, and if someone wishes to say that was the hand of God, then fair play to them.

billb

3,198 posts

265 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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i hope there is a god but have a nasty feeling we could just be one huge virus

birdbrain

1,564 posts

239 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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I don't believe so, but a lot of people seem to need something outside of their control to believe in.

Incorrigible

13,668 posts

261 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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vixpy1 said:
Look at the action of chance around us, then imagine this chance creating all the different bones, flesh and functions of animals and the complex cells of plants..... I think not.
May I refer you to Mr Plotloss's post earlier

charlescrawley

968 posts

252 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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vixpy1 said:
Look at the action of chance around us, then imagine this chance creating all the different bones, flesh and functions of animals and the complex cells of plants..... I think not.



This is the anthropomorphic principle... And seeing as we are sitting in one of billions of solar systems within a single galaxy, which again is one of billions, I think chance is entirely possible...

Edited to add: In fact I think eventually we will find life of one kind or another is more common than we now expect. The trouble will be in matching our "window of interaction" with it... Humans have been asking these questions for a few thousand years, maximum and have had the technology to reach out in a very limited way for a miserable few decades... Which is very little when you measure the age of our observable universe in multiple billions of years...

>> Edited by charlescrawley on Wednesday 7th July 14:14

FourWheelDrift

88,508 posts

284 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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Just replace the BabelFish with Dinosaurs

Douglas Adams said:

The argument goes something like this: "I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."

"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own argument, you don't. QED."

"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.

"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.

Neil_H

15,323 posts

251 months

Wednesday 7th July 2004
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I tend to sway between agnostism and atheism, depending on how annoying the bible basher I'm argueing with is.

I don't believe in God or any forms of religion, and I'm proud of that fact.