Split rims... Why?

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pdV6

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261 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Apart from (questionably) looking good, is there any technical reason to have split rim alloys over single piece wheels?

DanBoy

4,899 posts

243 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Lighter?

DanBoy

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243 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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DanBoy said:
Lighter?


By the way, I'm guessing.

pdV6

Original Poster:

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261 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Thought you might be!

In all seriousness, I'd have thought that a single-piece rim would be lighter, which is what prompted my question.

jeremyc

23,447 posts

284 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Easier to repair? The wheels can be dismantled and the rims replaced on their own if they get bent.



I too am guessing.

Corin Denton

8,759 posts

268 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Sometimes to vary widths. Rarely done nowadays though.

pdV6

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Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Makes sense. So its all for the "bling" quotient these days, then?

jeremyc

23,447 posts

284 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Seems I wasn't guessing....
some website said:
Composite vs. One-Piece Wheels
Three-piece, or composite, wheels came into vogue in the 1970s, and reached their peak of stylishness for street use in the 1980s. In the beginning, they provided several benefits. At the time, forging a one-piece wheel was not economical. Porsche's factory forged Fuchs alloys, especially in the wider sizes, were and are today considered very special, expensive items. One-piece centers could be forged, however, and bolted to spun aluminum rims, giving a strong, lightweight wheel. Additional benefits included flexibility of fitment and repairability. Rims could be built for nearly any width or offset, so if you needed just 40 or 50, or maybe only eight, for your racing program, tooling up was a piece of cake, and the costs to be amortized quite reasonable. A damaged rim could be replaced separately, making it cheaper to keep going in the rough world of racing. A three-piece wheel's advantages of exact fitment and repairability remain today, as ever, and are significant. Most high-end composite wheel manufacturers deal in low enough volumes that custom sizes and offsets are a regular part of their business. Unfortunately, manufacturing a composite wheel is extremely labor intensive. A human must assemble the piecesÑhumans are slow, and cost a lot more than machines. A one-piece forged wheel is comparatively more expensive to tool up for. The process is faster, though, so these extra costs can be spread out over a larger number of wheels. In a one-piece forging, all the material is structural. There are no bolts, no flanges to be bolted together, and no extra material for the bolts to bite into, so a one-piece wheel may be a pound or two lighter than an equivalent three-piece wheel.


boshly

2,776 posts

236 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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pdV6 said:
Apart from (questionably) looking good,


What!! Questionably??

UNquestionably... Split rims always look the business

IMHO of course

kneegrow

220 posts

256 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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They are also easy to assemble the tyres onto. I do a lot of that myself and split rims take away the mayhem. They are also light but I have to use tubes...
Bought them because 7x10" rims are virtually impossible to find.

pdV6

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Thursday 23rd September 2004
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boshly said:

UNquestionably... Split rims always look the business

You could always take a really naff design and make a multi-piece version of it!

pdV6

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Thursday 23rd September 2004
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kneegrow said:

Bought them because 7x10" rims are virtually impossible to find.

Yeah - can't see there being too much general demand for 7x10 these days (although I used to have a set of 6.5x10 single-piece Minilites once upon a time!).
kneegrow said:

They are also easy to assemble the tyres onto. I do a lot of that myself and split rims take away the mayhem.

Interesting... In what way is it easier to get the tyres on?

cazzer

8,883 posts

248 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Because you want to try and find 0 offset one peice alloys made by a mainstream manufacturer.
There arnt any.

madmike

2,372 posts

266 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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When I dented a rim on my Esprit last year, I sent them to the factory for reconditioning. They simply replaced everything but the center...at a third of the price of a new rim.

Pigeon

18,535 posts

246 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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pdV6 said:

kneegrow said:

They are also easy to assemble the tyres onto. I do a lot of that myself and split rims take away the mayhem.

Interesting... In what way is it easier to get the tyres on?

Because you can unbolt the rims and reassemble them with the tyre in place?

minimax

11,984 posts

256 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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boshly said:

pdV6 said:
Apart from (questionably) looking good,



What!! Questionably??

UNquestionably... Split rims always look the business

IMHO of course


like 10X6 minilites...

ehasler

8,566 posts

283 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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Pigeon said:

pdV6 said:


kneegrow said:

They are also easy to assemble the tyres onto. I do a lot of that myself and split rims take away the mayhem.


Interesting... In what way is it easier to get the tyres on?


Because you can unbolt the rims and reassemble them with the tyre in place?
Not in my experience - they are normally sealed with silicon goo, which makes it very difficult to actually split the rims!

Careful application of an old screw driver and a hammer seems to do the trick though!

v8thunder

27,646 posts

258 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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My personal favourites are the colour-coded BBS cross-spokes as fitted to '80s Lotus Esprits. Look far better than any of todays over-detailed 'let's see how much of the tiny drum brake we can see' one-piecers.

alextgreen

15,170 posts

242 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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for wide tens speak to Carl Austin of Force racing (www.force-racing.co.uk). Yes, this is the same nutter with the red twin engined ear splittingly loud drag Mini.

jimbro1000

1,619 posts

284 months

Thursday 23rd September 2004
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There is another big advantage with split rims - you can get the centre forged from magnesium alloy much more cheaply than for the whole wheel (I mean seriously cheaper) so that the entire wheel is still a fraction of the cost of a single piece mag-alloy wheel but still very light (roughly half the weight of an equivalent vanilla-alloy wheel).

For racing the split rims mean lighter still wheels as they can take shortcuts on the design as they don't (generally) need to handle the same sort of shock loadings. The real pros will be using a bespoke single piece design but anyone at the cheap end of the market (ie me) can get much the same benefits.