Apparently we are antisocial bastards...
Discussion
Suckmychrsitmas said:
It depends on whose ox is being gored, doesn't it?
I was referring to noise, for what's it's worth.
You feel that it's unreasonable that there should exist regulations restricting how much noise a car may make? It seems reasonable to me.
I take you point about other sources of noises to be found in your typical city and, yes, it'd be nice if the pneumatic drills emitted no noise, but they do I would imagine that it'd be difficult to reduce that significantly, and the occasional car alarm does grate, but that's what car alarms are designed to do: make noise. A car can be made to be quieter without compromising its performance too much and I don't see that as being too unreasonable.
Does this mean that the current out dated, and antiquated buses could be made quieter? I can think of a pretty simple solution in just clearing them off the roads.
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compromising performance 'too much' any compromise on the performance of an engine will affect the levels of pollution caused, cutting out one pollutant (noise) will have some level of negative effect on emmissions, or economy, with the dwindling resource do you consider that to be a valid solution.
Suckmychrsitmas said:Scm,
It depends on whose ox is being gored, doesn't it?
I was referring to noise, for what's it's worth.
You feel that it's unreasonable that there should exist regulations restricting how much noise a car may make? It seems reasonable to me.
I take you point about other sources of noises to be found in your typical city and, yes, it'd be nice if the pneumatic drills emitted no noise, but they do I would imagine that it'd be difficult to reduce that significantly, and the occasional car alarm does grate, but that's what car alarms are designed to do: make noise. A car can be made to be quieter without compromising its performance too much and I don't see that as being too unreasonable.
I know that you're trying to be balanced, so this isn't meant as a riposte, but in my experience of driving V12s in urban environments, I have had loads of people - of both sexes and all ages - exhort me to rev an engine to the limit so that they could enjoy its note, and literally not a single person, ever, has asked me to quieten things down.
flemke said:
I know that you're trying to be balanced, so this isn't meant as a riposte, but in my experience of driving V12s in urban environments, I have had loads of people - of both sexes and all ages - exhort me to rev an engine to the limit so that they could enjoy its note, and literally not a single person, ever, has asked me to quieten things down.
You've clearly never come across Michael Palin and gang......
V12s can be, as you know, very loud and I suspect that the cars you were driving could, if modified, have made significantly more noise, to the point where it would be uncomfortable to listen to. Also, most people like high-end cars and I suspect that their reactions might have been different were you revving the nuts off of some tuned, dilapidated Astra.
Suckmychrsitmas said:
V12s can be, as you know, very loud and I suspect that the cars you were driving could, if modified, have made significantly more noise, to the point where it would be uncomfortable to listen to. Also, most people like high-end cars and I suspect that their reactions might have been different were you revving the nuts off of some tuned, dilapidated Astra.
Well, on a static test at Goodwood, at half-revs I did get 120dB. Must have been the humidity.
You may be right about the Astra, but it was you who offered the V12 as your example!
mybrainhurts said:I have insufficient knowledge of the guy to appreciate your point, but can I infer, simply, that he is a flaming asshole?
I know that you're trying to be balanced, so this isn't meant as a riposte, but in my experience of driving V12s in urban environments, I have had loads of people - of both sexes and all ages - exhort me to rev an engine to the limit so that they could enjoy its note, and literally not a single person, ever, has asked me to quieten things down.
You've clearly never come across Michael Palin and gang......
flemke said:Palin? He's the ex-Monty Pythoner who is now chairperson of Transport 2000 who are radical greenist eco-loonies, and he wastes fuel and resources going round the world every which way making films to line his pockets not thinking one bit about the unnecessary journeys he and his film crew are making. Hypocritical arse! Rich...
I know that you're trying to be balanced, so this isn't meant as a riposte, but in my experience of driving V12s in urban environments, I have had loads of people - of both sexes and all ages - exhort me to rev an engine to the limit so that they could enjoy its note, and literally not a single person, ever, has asked me to quieten things down.
You've clearly never come across Michael Palin and gang......
richb said:
Palin? He's the ex-Monty Pythoner who is now chairperson of Transport 2000 who are radical greenist eco-loonies, and he wastes fuel and resources going round the world every which way making films to line his pockets not thinking one bit about the unnecessary journeys he and his film crew are making. Hypocritical arse! Rich...
Chairperson of a transportation lobby - what an odd job for a comic. Then again, I guess Transport 2000 is a complete joke, so maybe it makes sense.
Suckmychrsitmas said:
I specified cars, be they sportscars or otherwise, and not bikes because this is a car-oriented site. Bikes should have noise restrictions, too.
I live in the UK. The noise annoyances for me living on a main road are as follows, rated by frequency and degree of annoyance.
1 Police and other emergency service sirens
2 Burglar alarms
3 Busses
4 LGVs
5 Car stereos
6 Shrieking children
7 Motorcycles owned by dickheads who have removed the baffles from the exhaust
8 Poxy little cars whos names end in O and more often than not fitted with larger exhausts than needed. The cause of this trend among the young is the anti car anti speed campaign by the green slime which has forced them to enjoy their cars by playing load music and making them look and sound faster than they really are.
9 Jehovas Witnesses
10 Politicans canvassing
11 Ordinary cars which I hardly notice.
When we have got rid of the first 10 we can start on 11.
Suckmychrsitmas said:
Indeed, Smc, are you saying that if enough people object to what someone else is doing, that action ought to be banned?
That's one way of reading it, yes. If that action incoveniences, offends or poses a risk to someone else, then, yes, there's a good argument for it being banned. I'm curious as to why you see this as a negative thing?
>> Edited by Suckmychrsitmas on Wednesday 4th January 16:44
Your comments appear to be offending a good majority of people on here, so is that grounds for you being banned. I bet you drive a Raleigh. And BTW I don't think anyone would want to suck anything of yours. How do you knit yoghurt? Why do we rise to the bait time after time after time? Go away and irritate your piles on your saddle.
Edited to add that I get more antisocial as I get older.
I will grow old disgracefully.
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I will grow old disgracefully.
Ah 1.30am note to me: must go and start the Tiv in 30 minutes in case the neighbours are getting a good nights sleep.
>> Edited by GOM on Thursday 5th January 01:30
Was it "eco fascist" moonbat that said anti-social? What could be more anti-social than any restriction on cars - the Transport Research Laboratory did a lot of detailed investigation at the behest of Londoners in studying options for a 'Low Emission Zone' in London. As the name suggests the main angle was air quality but the conclusion, in their report number TRL 431, refers to the impact of restrictions per se:
As you would expect, the TRL recommendations have been ignoed by people like Kengestion Livingdrone and other intellectual heavyweights, who doubtless carried out a more extensive, more rigorous study of their own. Over coffee one morning while reading T2k's 'Transport Retort' and the Grauniad's environment comic.
The Transport Research Laboratory said:TRL advice to authorities was to restrict access to buses and lorries. It added that restrictions on cars would hit those on low incomes. Anti-car policies are antisocial and do not promote inclusion, contrary to the opposite politically correct view we hear from the reasoning-by-assertion car haters.
Wide-scale exclusion of cars would be socially and economically unacceptable.
As you would expect, the TRL recommendations have been ignoed by people like Kengestion Livingdrone and other intellectual heavyweights, who doubtless carried out a more extensive, more rigorous study of their own. Over coffee one morning while reading T2k's 'Transport Retort' and the Grauniad's environment comic.
turbobloke said:
Was it "eco fascist" moonbat that said anti-social? What could be more anti-social than any restriction on cars - the Transport Research Laboratory did a lot of detailed investigation at the behest of Londoners in studying options for a 'Low Emission Zone' in London. As the name suggests the main angle was air quality but the conclusion, in their report number TRL 431, refers to the impact of restrictions per se: The Transport Research Laboratory said:TRL advice to authorities was to restrict access to buses and lorries. It added that restrictions on cars would hit those on low incomes. Anti-car policies are antisocial and do not promote inclusion, contrary to the opposite politically correct view we hear from the reasoning-by-assertion car haters.
Wide-scale exclusion of cars would be socially and economically unacceptable.
As you would expect, the TRL recommendations have been ignoed by people like Kengestion Livingdrone and other intellectual heavyweights, who doubtless carried out a more extensive, more rigorous study of their own. Over coffee one morning while reading T2k's 'Transport Retort' and the Grauniad's environment comic.
flemke said:
V12s can be, as you know, very loud and I suspect that the cars you were driving could, if modified, have made significantly more noise, to the point where it would be uncomfortable to listen to. Also, most people like high-end cars and I suspect that their reactions might have been different were you revving the nuts off of some tuned, dilapidated Astra.
Well, on a static test at Goodwood, at half-revs I did get 120dB. Must have been the humidity.
You may be right about the Astra, but it was you who offered the V12 as your example!
120dB? You sure? A close friend has a Suzuki GSXR-1000 with a race can and that's seen 116dB. And, I'm telling you, that's hands-on-ears-and-grit-your-teeth loud.
Must get black flagged from a fair few track days then huh?
_VTEC_ said:
120dB? You sure? A close friend has a Suzuki GSXR-1000 with a race can and that's seen 116dB. And, I'm telling you, that's hands-on-ears-and-grit-your-teeth loud.
Must get black flagged from a fair few track days then huh?
As I obviously was not able to read the noise meter while it took the measurement, I can only report what the man told me.
I wasn't there to drive on the circuit, and the car's not been on any UK circuit, IIRC. It has been on a few in France and Germany, where, so long as you pay the entry fee, the marshals usually don't care if your motor sounds like a F15 at liftoff.
We have loads of these pothead hippy commie nutbars around here, they all seem to think it's okay to break the law to effect change for their cause. apparently your boy is no different, a criminal.
From his website
"In Britain, he joined the roads protest movement. He was hospitalised by security guards, who drove a metal spike through his foot, smashing the middle bone. He helped to found The Land is Ours, which has occupied land all over the country, including 13 acres of prime real estate in Wandsworth belonging to the Guinness corporation and destined for a giant superstore. The protesters beat Guinness in court, built an eco-village and held onto the land for six months."
One thing these anti car freeks seem not to realise. Our economy depends on the automotive industry, if it collapsed our whole economy would follow.
From his website
"In Britain, he joined the roads protest movement. He was hospitalised by security guards, who drove a metal spike through his foot, smashing the middle bone. He helped to found The Land is Ours, which has occupied land all over the country, including 13 acres of prime real estate in Wandsworth belonging to the Guinness corporation and destined for a giant superstore. The protesters beat Guinness in court, built an eco-village and held onto the land for six months."
One thing these anti car freeks seem not to realise. Our economy depends on the automotive industry, if it collapsed our whole economy would follow.
nonegreen said:
I specified cars, be they sportscars or otherwise, and not bikes because this is a car-oriented site. Bikes should have noise restrictions, too.
I live in the UK. The noise annoyances for me living on a main road are as follows, rated by frequency and degree of annoyance.
1 Police and other emergency service sirens
2 Burglar alarms
3 Busses
4 LGVs
5 Car stereos
6 Shrieking children
7 Motorcycles owned by dickheads who have removed the baffles from the exhaust
8 Poxy little cars whos names end in O and more often than not fitted with larger exhausts than needed. The cause of this trend among the young is the anti car anti speed campaign by the green slime which has forced them to enjoy their cars by playing load music and making them look and sound faster than they really are.
9 Jehovas Witnesses
10 Politicans canvassing
11 Ordinary cars which I hardly notice.
When we have got rid of the first 10 we can start on 11.
Nonners!...That's almost like the "Twelve days of Christmas"!.....
Might I suggest: 12"Twelve Numpties Driving!
Suckmychrsitmas said:
Build up enough public support for buses to have some sort of device to filter out harmful exhaust particles fitted
Didn't that "Dyson" chap do just this? Didn't he invent a vortex device that filtered out the particulates of diesel engines, but in true British style...it was ignored?......
Anyway, all our "deregulated" buses all choose to circle all the town neighbourhoods before going into the centre taking 4 times longer than a direct route, burning 4 times the fuel, and turning up "when they want" in order to maximise profits rather than "service".
>> Edited by 8Pack on Friday 6th January 06:20
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