Elise, VX220 or S2000?
Discussion
combover said:
What would a VXT with stiffer, aftermarket suspension be like then? Or would it be massively expensive in relation to this budget?
Combover
why would you want that?
The cheapest VXTs are around the mid 15s at the moment.
I dont really get why you would need stiffer suspension on this particular model? If you wanted stiffer suspension on the VXT, why not on the Elise, standard VX or the S2000? I cant see any problem, assuming VXTs have the same choice as Elises of a number of different suspension options going from standard Konis (elise) up to Ohlins or Nitrons. But as with anything, it'll cost ya.
Muncher said:
A big improvement, but I don't have first hand experience of that. The suspension would be £1,300 + fitting.
shirley thats only one option though? There must be more than that for the VXs? I could spend anywhere between £400 to £2k on upgrading the suspension on the Elise.
Standard is Eibach springs and Bilstein dampers.
Ohlins were available as a factory option on the VXR.
Nitron are pretty much the only aftermarket suspension suppliers for the VX. Leda have a kit under development but there is no mention of when it will be ready. I think something like the ABS mount is slightly different which is why Elise suspension will not fit.
Ohlins were available as a factory option on the VXR.
Nitron are pretty much the only aftermarket suspension suppliers for the VX. Leda have a kit under development but there is no mention of when it will be ready. I think something like the ABS mount is slightly different which is why Elise suspension will not fit.
Muncher said:
Standard is Eibach springs and Bilstein dampers.
Ohlins were available as a factory option on the VXR.
Nitron are pretty much the only aftermarket suspension suppliers for the VX. Leda have a kit under development but there is no mention of when it will be ready. I think something like the ABS mount is slightly different which is why Elise suspension will not fit.
I'm shocked. With the VX being such a serious drivers car I would have thought that aftermarket supplies would have been in development from the day the car was announced.
hmmm.
I am no where near a good enough driver to get the full benefit of nitrons. I may be wrong, but I would hazard a guess that a proportion of those with them fitted have chosen them for the name rather than because they are good enough to exploit them. I may be talking bollox, of course. (usual caveats apply)
I am no where near a good enough driver to get the full benefit of nitrons. I may be wrong, but I would hazard a guess that a proportion of those with them fitted have chosen them for the name rather than because they are good enough to exploit them. I may be talking bollox, of course. (usual caveats apply)
simonrockman said:
A VXT is outside the £11k budget. I just paid a bit under £16k, there are a couple where you might shave £2k off that but you won't get close to £11k.
Oops! My problem is that I seem to never read the initial posts thouroughly enough, doing a million other things instead, I didn't realise the budget was 11K, unattentive fool that I am!
In that case, any of them, they are all superb in their own right, best thing would be to test drive each if you can!
Well, if my Gran Turismo Concept game is anything to go by, go for the Elise. I found the VX220 slower, sluggish round corners, and slow acceleration.
I found the Honda S2000 rather difficult to manage. The handling does seem rather precarious although it does grip quite well.
Overall, the Elise seemed more sprightly down the twisted track, shook off anything on the bends, and so on.
I found the Honda S2000 rather difficult to manage. The handling does seem rather precarious although it does grip quite well.
Overall, the Elise seemed more sprightly down the twisted track, shook off anything on the bends, and so on.
ps2gamer890 said:
Well, if my Gran Turismo Concept game is anything to go by, go for the Elise. I found the VX220 slower, sluggish round corners, and slow acceleration.
I found the Honda S2000 rather difficult to manage. The handling does seem rather precarious although it does grip quite well.
Overall, the Elise seemed more sprightly down the twisted track, shook off anything on the bends, and so on.
LOL, It was Gran Turismo that got me into cars, before that game, I knew nothing, I thought my Ford Escort 1.8 was a cool fast car!!!!
Since then, I have also found that playing a game and driving the same car in real life, it is chalk and cheese.
Rawwr said:
elise cos its a lotus that means it handles!!
The VX220 *is* an Elise for all intents and purposes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a woman, a gay or a mental.
But it's not though. Ok, i've only ever driven them in Gran Turismo, but they are completely different. The standard elise is a sharp, well balance driving machine that let me win a race 2nd round, the VX220 is an uglier, slower-accelerating bore to drive that dropped me to 5th place. It just doesn't have the cornering abilities of the elise.
chris watton said:
LOL, It was Gran Turismo that got me into cars, before that game, I knew nothing, I thought my Ford Escort 1.8 was a cool fast car!!!!
Since then, I have also found that playing a game and driving the same car in real life, it is chalk and cheese.
Yeah I realise. (That's what the last Top Gear told me
) But still.....(Rambles on like an old fart)
Rawwr said:
Guess you learn something new everyday:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.leach1/elises200
>> Edited by Rawwr on Thursday 5th January 18:07
Very little in it as far as I can see which is what I'd have expected as the standing 1/4 mile times are very similar. Standing starts aren't the S2000s forte, it's much better when on the move.
I think you'll be happy with whatever you choose, it really comes down to which one suits you the best. I considered an Elise but I fell in love with engine in the S, and the Elise, good as it was, felt like it had been put together in someones garage and sounded like a Corsa.
>> Edited by Neil_H on Thursday 5th January 22:46
VXT alone is out of this price-range, they start at at least £15k. And if you start modding...
Also, an £11k TVR will be a lot older than the others...not to say don't get it though - the Elsie will be 5y.o. or more.
Chim is also by all accounts softer than the other cars here (even S2k, although closer) - probably quickest in a straight line, but would need to drive one before I comment on handling.
If space and practicality aren't issues, I'd probably go for the VX - it's the best combination, really is a fun car to drive.
Also, an £11k TVR will be a lot older than the others...not to say don't get it though - the Elsie will be 5y.o. or more.
Chim is also by all accounts softer than the other cars here (even S2k, although closer) - probably quickest in a straight line, but would need to drive one before I comment on handling.
If space and practicality aren't issues, I'd probably go for the VX - it's the best combination, really is a fun car to drive.
havoc said:
Chim is also by all accounts softer than the other cars here (even S2k, although closer) - probably quickest in a straight line, but would need to drive one before I comment on handling.
The handling is good, but in this company its not good enough. With upgraded suspension and the right tyres it wouldn't be "so" far off the pace. But then an Elise with Nitrons and AO48s would be further in front still, in the dry at least. Hence its not really a fair comparison.
And going back to the straight line thing, well as I have said, my 1/4 time was half a second quicker in the Elise (albeit a modified Elise). Cuzzas standard Elise posted a nearly identical time to my old Chimaera on the same strip. For traffic light GPs the Chim is unlikely to be quicker. However, in gear straight line acceleration is a different matter. An interesting (well, semi...) part of the 1/4 times was that through the timing beams the chimaera was at 110mph. The Elise was at 99. It wasnt long before the Chimaera would have been piling past.
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