Elise, VX220 or S2000?
Discussion
Rawwr said:
Hmm, I reckon an Elise would have the edge over an S2000 up to about 90mph.
/voe
You have to be kidding - I have been all over the tail of S1's in my old 'teg, on-road from 40 upwards, and on-track along every straight...and the S2k is marginally more accelerative than the 'teg.
Up to 30, yeah - I'll give you that. Beyond 30 - forget it...just look at the bhp/tonne comparison.
Seriously - out of these three the Elise will walk into the pub about halfway through the second pint of the other two...I'd say VX220 edges it up to at least 60 and definitely for in-gear performance, S2000 quickest at silly-speeds and once on-the-boil.
Depends what you're after - S2000 will give you the biggest accelerative 'hit', VX will be the one to carry pace in cross-country.
Guess you learn something new everyday:
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/martin.leach1/elises200
>> Edited by Rawwr on Thursday 5th January 18:07
Rawrr; you've just validated Havoc's point with that video.
Over a 1/4 mile the Elise gets the best start and has quite a good lead, but the lead is virtually none existent by the time they cross the line - the S2000 recovered the ground it lost meaning it was accelerating far harder.
From a rolling start (40 upwards to use Havoc's figures), the S2000 would have been a good bit in front.
WRumbled said:
Rawrr; you've just validated Havoc's point with that video.
Over a 1/4 mile the Elise gets the best start and has quite a good lead, but the lead is virtually none existent by the time they cross the line - the S2000 recovered the ground it lost meaning it was accelerating far harder.
From a rolling start (40 upwards to use Havoc's figures), the S2000 would have been a good bit in front.
similar then to the Chimaera and my Elise over the 1/4. The Elise was half a second quicker but 11mph slower through the timing gates. Hence over a longer distance it would be well and truly beaten. But then how many times in everyday life do you have a standing start and a straight over 1/4 mile? In gear acceleration is, of course, another matter.
I stand by what I said, any one of these cars will be within a cats whisker of each other on the average British road. Arguing over seconds here or there is irrelevant. Buy the one you enjoy the most to drive.
agree with shnozz's comments, its whatever floats your boat.
I was in the same predicament in Dec and had all three on my potentials list. For me it came down to the practicality of a 30 mile commute and Honda reliability, so I pipped for the S2000 - havent regretted a moment and get a smile every time I drive it. As for all the comments about having to rev the nuts off of it - well thats the charm. I dont drive at 100% all the time and in an uncomprimising car/ride I imagine it would become tedious on commutes and motorway journeys, yet when I put my foot down and it gets above 5500rpm then its an absolute hoot. Its not hard to keep in the rev range, as if you rev to 9000rpm it drops to 6500rpm when you change up - so always on power. I dont see it as any different to driving a non-vtec car and reving it to the read line to make the most of the engines power - only in the S2000 you have the best of both worlds...
just my 2p worth.
I was in the same predicament in Dec and had all three on my potentials list. For me it came down to the practicality of a 30 mile commute and Honda reliability, so I pipped for the S2000 - havent regretted a moment and get a smile every time I drive it. As for all the comments about having to rev the nuts off of it - well thats the charm. I dont drive at 100% all the time and in an uncomprimising car/ride I imagine it would become tedious on commutes and motorway journeys, yet when I put my foot down and it gets above 5500rpm then its an absolute hoot. Its not hard to keep in the rev range, as if you rev to 9000rpm it drops to 6500rpm when you change up - so always on power. I dont see it as any different to driving a non-vtec car and reving it to the read line to make the most of the engines power - only in the S2000 you have the best of both worlds...
just my 2p worth.
shnozz has hit tha nail on the head constantly through this thread.
3 years ago it was the same descision for me - Elise, VX or S2000 - only difference was they were to be new cars (very flexible co. car scheme). Never driven a VX, so I'll not comment on that, regularly drove an Elise on track and occasionally on the road though.
At the time, I was doing a 100 mile round trip commute up the M4, and a smattering of trackdays.
I wanted the Elise, but common sense told me that no matter how much fn it was at weekends and on the track, I'd never enjoy 'utility' driving in it, it's just not built to do long journeys.
The S2000 will do most of what the Elise will do (the brakes are woeful on the track though, they overheat far too readily) but will take you home in relative comfort after your hoon. Now I'm in the position of changing my car shortly, I'm opting out of the company scheme, getting a big comfy cruiser and am building a dedicated track/weekend toy, since even an S2000 is not really suited to long motorway journeys (I regularly do trips to Manchester and Birmingham from Wilts. and it's OK, but I wouldn't call it relaxing).
From your choices, Elise or VX all the way. It's not that I don't like the S2000, far from it, I'm actually glad I got the car, it's been a lot of fun and has never let me down. But in an Elise, you feel so much more a part of the driving experience.
If I was in your position however, I'd go for £500 beater for the station run, and spend the rest on something even more focussed than an Elise from the PH classifieds (Westy etc.).
3 years ago it was the same descision for me - Elise, VX or S2000 - only difference was they were to be new cars (very flexible co. car scheme). Never driven a VX, so I'll not comment on that, regularly drove an Elise on track and occasionally on the road though.
At the time, I was doing a 100 mile round trip commute up the M4, and a smattering of trackdays.
I wanted the Elise, but common sense told me that no matter how much fn it was at weekends and on the track, I'd never enjoy 'utility' driving in it, it's just not built to do long journeys.
The S2000 will do most of what the Elise will do (the brakes are woeful on the track though, they overheat far too readily) but will take you home in relative comfort after your hoon. Now I'm in the position of changing my car shortly, I'm opting out of the company scheme, getting a big comfy cruiser and am building a dedicated track/weekend toy, since even an S2000 is not really suited to long motorway journeys (I regularly do trips to Manchester and Birmingham from Wilts. and it's OK, but I wouldn't call it relaxing).
From your choices, Elise or VX all the way. It's not that I don't like the S2000, far from it, I'm actually glad I got the car, it's been a lot of fun and has never let me down. But in an Elise, you feel so much more a part of the driving experience.
If I was in your position however, I'd go for £500 beater for the station run, and spend the rest on something even more focussed than an Elise from the PH classifieds (Westy etc.).
ps2gamer890 said:
elise cos its a lotus that means it handles!!
The VX220 *is* an Elise for all intents and purposes. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a woman, a gay or a mental.
But it's not though. Ok, i've only ever driven them in Gran Turismo, but they are completely different. The standard elise is a sharp, well balance driving machine that let me win a race 2nd round, the VX220 is an uglier, slower-accelerating bore to drive that dropped me to 5th place. It just doesn't have the cornering abilities of the elise.
And I thought I played too many games. That's got to be the comedy post of the year.
To the original poster: I looked at the same three cars in the summer when I was buying a new motor and out of S1 elise, S2000 & VX220 it was the Vauxhall I would have chosen had I not found the perfect M Coupe.
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