Shown up by a 330d saloon
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srebbe64 said:
gaz1234 said:
And i heard the Petrol 330 is quicker than the 330d? Right?
Yes and no. It's quicker from 0-60, by about a second but that's about it. The 330d is quicker in every gear at overtaking speeds and both are limited to 155 top speed.
I don't get that, how can you say quicker in every gear when the ratio's are completely different?
Of course a car with more power earlier in the rev band will be quicker when your using that bit of the power band.
You could say using all the revs the petrol will still be quicker.
And you could say, at 30mph in top, the petrol will be quicker while the derv lanquishes off boost!
Not putting the derv down, but they ain't rocket ships. Their wodge of torque and generally lower gearing make them appear alot quicker than they are, but rev them and they don't go much quicker!
Dave
Mr Whippy said:
srebbe64 said:
gaz1234 said:
And i heard the Petrol 330 is quicker than the 330d? Right?
Yes and no. It's quicker from 0-60, by about a second but that's about it. The 330d is quicker in every gear at overtaking speeds and both are limited to 155 top speed.
I don't get that, how can you say quicker in every gear when the ratio's are completely different?
Of course a car with more power earlier in the rev band will be quicker when your using that bit of the power band.
You could say using all the revs the petrol will still be quicker.
And you could say, at 30mph in top, the petrol will be quicker while the derv lanquishes off boost!
Not putting the derv down, but they ain't rocket ships. Their wodge of torque and generally lower gearing make them appear alot quicker than they are, but rev them and they don't go much quicker!
Dave
Because I've just bought one I had all of BMW's literature. In it they show the 0-62mph (less than half a second difference in it actually). Then they show 30-50 / 50-70 etc.. in the various different gears and the 330d was quicker in all cases.
Well I suppose TTs do only look like 25% of all cars on the road, underneath it's the same as the other 50% derestrictor said:
Reggie, you reading this?
{Chap who does brasswork and suchlike, runs a 330d saloon which has been to Superchips, reckons it to be more rapid than a 535d! Has a 335d Coupe landing imminently and will no doubt subject it to the same treatment, imagine that, eh?}
{Chap who does brasswork and suchlike, runs a 330d saloon which has been to Superchips, reckons it to be more rapid than a 535d! Has a 335d Coupe landing imminently and will no doubt subject it to the same treatment, imagine that, eh?}
I told you the 330d was quick. Reckon mine with the superchip is c 6 secs 0-60 - and that's with the auto box. I can highly recommend them - doesn't even sound like an oil burner. Can't wait for the 335d to arrive - 4 weeks and counting. Then run it and then a trip to superchips again?!
Plotloss said:
knoxville said:
diesel = slow
Its more effecient a fuel that Petrol for a start and I would suggest that both JCB and Audi may disagree with you...
There are no stock diesel productions cars with performance worth talking about.
Edited by knoxville on Wednesday 18th October 14:35
knoxville said:
srebbe64 said:
There's someone who's never driven a performance diesel I would wager.
Performance diesel is an oxymoron.I've just seen that you're an American - practically in the automotive dark ages over there old bean. In five or ten years you'll understand. In the meantime we'll be tolerant of you because you can only comment on what you have experienced. Rather like asking a poor African for an opinion on a fruity French red wine.
srebbe64 said:
I've just seen that you're an American - practically in the automotive dark ages over there old bean. In five or ten years you'll understand. In the meantime we'll be tolerant of you because you can only comment on what you have experienced. Rather like asking a poor African for an opinion on a fruity French red wine.
And these diesel supercars that you guys get that we don't are? ...I've driven a fair share of diesel cars including the 330D (Old spec) and yes they are certainly surprisingly quick, I was very impressed with the 3.0D in the Saab 95 which I believe has now been superseeded?
Fast = Yes
Economical = Not particularly
Brilliant all rounder = Definitely
Sports car engine = Never, they just don't cut it at all.
I do miss my Densil golf very much though :-(
Dave!
Fast = Yes
Economical = Not particularly
Brilliant all rounder = Definitely
Sports car engine = Never, they just don't cut it at all.
I do miss my Densil golf very much though :-(
Dave!
If I can try to drag this thread out of being ruined completely..
Good thread. I had secretly been harbouring a belief that my 190E 2.5-16 would have a good chance against a 330D, but it appears not - a TT 3.2 is indeed no slow coach.
More depressing stories:
A woman I work with (who does track days so is a decent driver) has a new Fabia vRS which she says is not chipped. She followed me out of work the other day onto a dual carriageway, and I floored it as the road opened up - she floored it too. Even though I was redlining it through every gear and making quick changes, I was shocked how well it kept with me. Only at the top of 3rd gear and going into 4th (0.9 speed units or so) and almost giving up, did I pull out any sort of gap between us. Rubbish. My engine has poor compression so is slightly down on power but still.. that's a 1315kg 130bhp diesel skoda.
On the other hand, following a new 530D recently it was really not that fast and I thought I would be fine against a 330D. I just think if you're the one doing the chasing it's a hell of a lot easier to keep up.
Oh then there's the time I lost a traffic light drag against my housemate in his Ka because I let the revs bog down too much
. I console myself with the fact it was the OHC, 69bhp version 
.
Good thread. I had secretly been harbouring a belief that my 190E 2.5-16 would have a good chance against a 330D, but it appears not - a TT 3.2 is indeed no slow coach.
More depressing stories:
A woman I work with (who does track days so is a decent driver) has a new Fabia vRS which she says is not chipped. She followed me out of work the other day onto a dual carriageway, and I floored it as the road opened up - she floored it too. Even though I was redlining it through every gear and making quick changes, I was shocked how well it kept with me. Only at the top of 3rd gear and going into 4th (0.9 speed units or so) and almost giving up, did I pull out any sort of gap between us. Rubbish. My engine has poor compression so is slightly down on power but still.. that's a 1315kg 130bhp diesel skoda.
On the other hand, following a new 530D recently it was really not that fast and I thought I would be fine against a 330D. I just think if you're the one doing the chasing it's a hell of a lot easier to keep up.
Oh then there's the time I lost a traffic light drag against my housemate in his Ka because I let the revs bog down too much
. I console myself with the fact it was the OHC, 69bhp version .surely we're missing the point here
I chose my A3 2.0 TDi over the equivalent petrol because it was a) quicker in the 'real world' and b) cheaper to run
boy was that a mistake
diesel is boring! I get absolutely no driver satisfaction from my motoring anymore - narrow rev ranges, truly terrible soundtrack,nose heavy handling, etc, etc
good as no doubt the 330d is, I just cannot believe it can ever be entertaining to own and drive
I chose my A3 2.0 TDi over the equivalent petrol because it was a) quicker in the 'real world' and b) cheaper to run
boy was that a mistake
diesel is boring! I get absolutely no driver satisfaction from my motoring anymore - narrow rev ranges, truly terrible soundtrack,nose heavy handling, etc, etc
good as no doubt the 330d is, I just cannot believe it can ever be entertaining to own and drive
knoxville said:
srebbe64 said:
I've just seen that you're an American - practically in the automotive dark ages over there old bean. In five or ten years you'll understand. In the meantime we'll be tolerant of you because you can only comment on what you have experienced. Rather like asking a poor African for an opinion on a fruity French red wine.
And these diesel supercars that you guys get that we don't are? ...I didn't say supercars, I said performance cars. As mentioned above, one day you'll understand.
srebbe64 said:
knoxville said:
srebbe64 said:
I've just seen that you're an American - practically in the automotive dark ages over there old bean. In five or ten years you'll understand. In the meantime we'll be tolerant of you because you can only comment on what you have experienced. Rather like asking a poor African for an opinion on a fruity French red wine.
And these diesel supercars that you guys get that we don't are? ...I didn't say supercars, I said performance cars. As mentioned above, one day you'll understand.
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