would you buy a evante if it was produced again.
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thanks for your time in responding guys.
SVA : i have spock to the correct office and they are ready to inspect a complete car for small manfacture certificate.
This will have to be done to the car for turn key cars.
Insurance :the evante is rated as a classic , I have spock to several insurance brockers and thay have adviced me a new car to very close consept of the original called by the SAME NAME BIULT BY THE SAME COMPANY WOULD ALSO BE CLASSED AS A CLASSIC FOR INSURANCE .
BODY SHELL: Tony tomson`s elan body is very nice. I am to belive these are in the 5k area.
I can compete very well to this price.
A kit car : This was suggested by my partner , We have even thort of contacting some kit car companys for advice and or joining forces so to speak. We are at this point very open minded.
Drive train :we are considering all area even jap engines, A new ford unit is about 1K , It is possible if we use a imported engine not ford based we can get the cost down quite a bit.
ALL FEED BACK IS WELCOME THANKS AGAIN GUYS
SVA : i have spock to the correct office and they are ready to inspect a complete car for small manfacture certificate.
This will have to be done to the car for turn key cars.
Insurance :the evante is rated as a classic , I have spock to several insurance brockers and thay have adviced me a new car to very close consept of the original called by the SAME NAME BIULT BY THE SAME COMPANY WOULD ALSO BE CLASSED AS A CLASSIC FOR INSURANCE .
BODY SHELL: Tony tomson`s elan body is very nice. I am to belive these are in the 5k area.
I can compete very well to this price.
A kit car : This was suggested by my partner , We have even thort of contacting some kit car companys for advice and or joining forces so to speak. We are at this point very open minded.
Drive train :we are considering all area even jap engines, A new ford unit is about 1K , It is possible if we use a imported engine not ford based we can get the cost down quite a bit.
ALL FEED BACK IS WELCOME THANKS AGAIN GUYS
tomuch said:
Insurance :the evante is rated as a classic , I have spock to several insurance brockers and thay have adviced me a new car to very close consept of the original called by the SAME NAME BIULT BY THE SAME COMPANY WOULD ALSO BE CLASSED AS A CLASSIC FOR INSURANCE .
I find this very difficult to believe. I'd recheck your sources if I were you. With the majority of Classic Insurance specialists, individual cars do not qualify until they are 10 years old from date of registration. By your definition, I should be able to insure a new Porsche 911 or a new AC Cobra for around £160 per annum, fully comp, because it is clearly a continuation of a 'classic' model.
tomuch said:
BODY SHELL: Tony tomson`s elan body is very nice. I am to belive these are in the 5k area.
I can compete very well to this price.
Tony Thompson is undoubtedly over-priced, though he has a reputation for supplying high quality products. Bear in mind that the price is for a bare bodyshell only, however. Make sure you do your costings accurately... it's when you start adding in the price of glass, chrome, hinges, window mechanisms, grilles, interior trim, hoods and frames, instruments & switchgear, etc., etc., that the end cost starts to spiral. This is one of the reasons why others have never found a 'new' replica Elan to be cost-effective to produce - with a Spyder conversion of an existing restoration case you can recover a lot of the small components and sell off redundant major components (engine, gearbox, diff. etc.) to pay for the parts that are beyond saving.
Contrary to what others might say, there is no evidence to suggest a shortage of restoration case Elans suitable for the Spyder conversion. There are always several on the market at any given time (there's one in the Pistonheads Classifieds that remains unsold after 50 days, according to the ad) and no sign that prices have been pushed up by demand since the introduction of the Spyder conversion.
{edited for speeling... mine not tomuch's
} Edited by Sam_68 on Thursday 15th March 17:44
Yes, they do a version for the 2 seater Elan as well. Octane magazine did an article (vs. a K series 'Frontline' Frogeye Sprite, IIRC) a while ago.
They only tend to push the Plus 2 version, though, since:
a) It's more cost effective (a tatty Plus 2 for conversion being effectively free, since you can sell off the engine, gearbox and diff for more than you paid for the car!)
and
b) People are more reluctant to butcher the more valuable, and more highly regarded, 2-seater.
Edited to add LINK to Octane article on Spyder's own website.
Note that I said more valuable and more highly regarded not better! I've owned a couple of examples of both and IMHO the Plus 2 is just as good as the 2 seat Elan, on balance!!
They only tend to push the Plus 2 version, though, since:
a) It's more cost effective (a tatty Plus 2 for conversion being effectively free, since you can sell off the engine, gearbox and diff for more than you paid for the car!)
and
b) People are more reluctant to butcher the more valuable, and more highly regarded, 2-seater.
Edited to add LINK to Octane article on Spyder's own website.
Note that I said more valuable and more highly regarded not better! I've owned a couple of examples of both and IMHO the Plus 2 is just as good as the 2 seat Elan, on balance!!
Edited by Sam_68 on Thursday 15th March 18:30
Hi sam
I have afriend that has just registed a caterham that he biult and it on a reduced cost policy threw one of the brokers i tryed .
I do not no how cars are classed but in my case the advice was it could have low cost insurance as it was all ready classed as a classic.Do not no if it because it would be a low volume car.
I have been adviced a new concept car would not get a reduced rate policy.
I have no idea how thay would rate a new consept car
Thanks to everyone for the feed back ,
I am still trying to confirm how made the original chassie for the evante.
It at the moment would seem i still own the rights to the evante and it`s chassie consept .This is somthing that would need to be cleard up .
Any way it will all come out in the wash i am shore , I am hoping to make contact with some of the original owners of vegantune and evante . I am shore thay will shed light on the how owns what and what rights evante have to the chassie.
real goood link thanks
Thanks to every one for the feedback .
sy
I have afriend that has just registed a caterham that he biult and it on a reduced cost policy threw one of the brokers i tryed .
I do not no how cars are classed but in my case the advice was it could have low cost insurance as it was all ready classed as a classic.Do not no if it because it would be a low volume car.
I have been adviced a new concept car would not get a reduced rate policy.
I have no idea how thay would rate a new consept car
Thanks to everyone for the feed back ,
I am still trying to confirm how made the original chassie for the evante.
It at the moment would seem i still own the rights to the evante and it`s chassie consept .This is somthing that would need to be cleard up .
Any way it will all come out in the wash i am shore , I am hoping to make contact with some of the original owners of vegantune and evante . I am shore thay will shed light on the how owns what and what rights evante have to the chassie.
real goood link thanks
Thanks to every one for the feedback .
sy
tomuch said:
I have afriend that has just registed a caterham that he biult and it on a reduced cost policy threw one of the brokers i tryed .
I do not no how cars are classed but in my case the advice was it could have low cost insurance as it was all ready classed as a classic.Do not no if it because it would be a low volume car.
I have been adviced a new concept car would not get a reduced rate policy.
I have no idea how thay would rate a new consept car
I do not no how cars are classed but in my case the advice was it could have low cost insurance as it was all ready classed as a classic.Do not no if it because it would be a low volume car.
I have been adviced a new concept car would not get a reduced rate policy.
I have no idea how thay would rate a new consept car
I suspect your friend's Caterham will have been insured on a specialist kit-car policy. These are almost as cost effective as classic policies (my Sylva Clubmans kit car. for example, costs me about £160 per year, fully comp) but are nothing to do with the age or perceived 'status' of the car... simply that kit car owners are rated as very good risks because they tend to be enthusiasts, drive with appropriate care and skill, and do limited mileages.
These very cheap specialist Classic/Kit policies are usually dependent upon the car being a second vehicle and limited mileage, which kind of defeats the object on a car whose USP is that it is an 'Elan' but reliable enough for daily use...
There are specialist insurers who will give competitive premiums on specialist performance cars, but even limited production turn-key cars (eg. Noble) won't normally come close to the sort of premiums you can get on kits or classics.
Odd this should come up, as about 6 weeks ago I woke up in a sweat convinced I needed to buy an Evante. I went downstairs onto the web to do some research and couldn't find any good ones. I ended up spending around your projected cost on a Bristol instead. Chances are if Evantes were back in production I would have knocked on your door (buy maybe waited until the morning).
With the greatest of respect though my friend, if I am going to tank about at a ton plus in anyone's chassis, I would want to know they could spell chassis. Otherwise, the thought that I may be entrusting my life to someone who is not hot on detail would probably stop me from ever getting into the thing.
I wish not to offend, just to suggest that buyers will want comfort that the person/team behind their car is/are VERY switched on...
With the greatest of respect though my friend, if I am going to tank about at a ton plus in anyone's chassis, I would want to know they could spell chassis. Otherwise, the thought that I may be entrusting my life to someone who is not hot on detail would probably stop me from ever getting into the thing.
I wish not to offend, just to suggest that buyers will want comfort that the person/team behind their car is/are VERY switched on...
Edited by hendry on Friday 16th March 13:51
The guy may be dyslexic, so give him a break. As for the car, the cost is an issue for you, as a kit I could see a market as a complete car turnkey it is a none starter in the uk in my opinion. Most who want a ready bulit car would go for an MX5 MGF etc or indeed an origanal elan rather than one which would be technically less than a modern car.
Japan might go for it if the look was more retro as they have a thing for old english cars.
What ever good luck with your venture, might be worth with your spelling, write it in microsoft word then spell check then copy and paste into the message window on this site.
Japan might go for it if the look was more retro as they have a thing for old english cars.
What ever good luck with your venture, might be worth with your spelling, write it in microsoft word then spell check then copy and paste into the message window on this site.
spaximus said:
The guy may be dyslexic, so give him a break.
Yes - and he might be dyscalculic and be using different gauge tubing on either side of the chassis. My point remains, I would want to know that whomever is putting my car together knows what they are doing. That there is a name to put to the bits they don't get doesn't make me any more comfortable.
Just throwing in my 2p of what a perspective customer would look for. I don't really care if I am not being very PC in the process, but I do not wish to offend the OPer.
hendry said:
[quote=spaximus]The guy may be dyslexic, so give him a break.
Yes - and he might be dyscalculic and be using different gauge tubing on either side of the chassis. My point remains, I would want to know that whomever is putting my car together knows what they are doing. That there is a name to put to the bits they don't get doesn't make me any more comfortable.
Just throwing in my 2p of what a perspective customer would look for. I don't really care if I am not being very PC in the process, but I do not wish to offend the OPer.
You may well be correct. but let's not pre judge what other problems he may have if indeed any. Richard Branson is dyslexic but as the head of the company he is unlikley to do everything himself, and he seems to have done okay! Also some famous car designers have had little training yet come up with superb cars by trial and error, look at some of the Lotus cars that Colin Chapman did, where they reduced chassis thickness until it broke then added a bit back on.
If this makes you uncomfortable it will others but that is no reason to dismiss the project alone. It will stand or fall on many items relating to the car more than the person.
Hi guys thanks for ALL feed back.
Hendry : I am dyslexic and some one that is new to using a computer .
I can read my writing and yours , It`s the spelling , well the letter just do not want to sit where thay should be . It`s a sort of secret code being that the car business has lot of espionage it could come in handy.
No problem with numeracy. So how many Evante`s would you like to pre-order?
Always look at the glass as being half full ,not half empty.
Spaximus : Thanks for tips on loading up enteries.
guys :I have been adviced vegantune web page is back up today.
Over the next couple of months the web page will be up date.
Hendry : I am dyslexic and some one that is new to using a computer .
I can read my writing and yours , It`s the spelling , well the letter just do not want to sit where thay should be . It`s a sort of secret code being that the car business has lot of espionage it could come in handy.
No problem with numeracy. So how many Evante`s would you like to pre-order?
Always look at the glass as being half full ,not half empty.
Spaximus : Thanks for tips on loading up enteries.
guys :I have been adviced vegantune web page is back up today.
Over the next couple of months the web page will be up date.
Seriously, the Evante is a nice car but it sits in a very saturated market.
There are dozens of two seater sports cars to choose from, both in kit form and mass produced.
This is why I would suggest a car based on the Elan +2, but with a Caterham 21 style front, and possibly round lights at the rear to avoid a mismatch of round at one end and square at the other.
The +2 market is definitely not saturated. In fact it's virtually ignored if you want a car that isn't based on a front drive platform. There's also more money in it as most of us can't contemplate affording a fun car until we are older and by then we've got two kids to put somewhere.
There are dozens of two seater sports cars to choose from, both in kit form and mass produced.
This is why I would suggest a car based on the Elan +2, but with a Caterham 21 style front, and possibly round lights at the rear to avoid a mismatch of round at one end and square at the other.
The +2 market is definitely not saturated. In fact it's virtually ignored if you want a car that isn't based on a front drive platform. There's also more money in it as most of us can't contemplate affording a fun car until we are older and by then we've got two kids to put somewhere.
I assume that this is Simon. How are you doing?
I understand the comments but, guys, have a look at a well prepared Evante and tell me it is not a pretty car. We go to Le-Mans every year, in at least two, and are swamped with people who love the look of the cars.
Bear in mind that these pretenders (They are after all based on sixties cars) will see off most hot hatches and have a sub six 0-60. I know the rice rockets will see us off but we are driving classic british cars and I suspect that the problem is 'New Youth' expecting Jap performance from a 20+ yr old car. If you want to own a British car then do, if you want to own a copy, go for it. The MX5 is a copy. Each to their own.
I understand the comments but, guys, have a look at a well prepared Evante and tell me it is not a pretty car. We go to Le-Mans every year, in at least two, and are swamped with people who love the look of the cars.
Bear in mind that these pretenders (They are after all based on sixties cars) will see off most hot hatches and have a sub six 0-60. I know the rice rockets will see us off but we are driving classic british cars and I suspect that the problem is 'New Youth' expecting Jap performance from a 20+ yr old car. If you want to own a British car then do, if you want to own a copy, go for it. The MX5 is a copy. Each to their own.
90V8 said:
If you want to own a British car then do, if you want to own a copy, go for it. The MX5 is a copy. Each to their own.
Erm, admittedly the MX-5 took inspiration from the Elan both in looks and concept, a copy no but certainly similar.
Is that not exactly what the Evante is?
Edited by Wigeon Incognito on Monday 19th March 00:38
I believe that top gear gave the MX5 the best Blitish sports car award. And you don't believe it to be a copy of the Elan?
Not that it matters. The MX5 is a water tight soft top and the Evante is an 80s classic. That leaks. Souldn't be comparable. But people will.
Have you heard an Evante at 6,500 RPM passing you?
No offence but it is a preference thing. I love mine, you love yours.
Not that it matters. The MX5 is a water tight soft top and the Evante is an 80s classic. That leaks. Souldn't be comparable. But people will.
Have you heard an Evante at 6,500 RPM passing you?
No offence but it is a preference thing. I love mine, you love yours.
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