Some won't let things lie
Discussion
mitchum9999 said:
Speeding is involved in almost twice as many deaths as drink driving, and in 12 times as many deaths as gun crime.
What percentage of drivers exceed the speed limit every day?What percentage of drivers are in excess of the alcohol limits every day?
How many of us are criminals that carry guns?
The claims made about the role of speed in accidents is misrepresented by the SS and other zealots. See www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/research/rsrr/theme5... In this analysis, speed is a factor is more than 50% of fatal accidents to those under 39 yoa, whilst for those under 25, speed was a factor in between 65% and 75% of accident. See para 3 and figure 3.2.
mitchum9999 said:
The claims made about the role of speed in accidents is misrepresented by the SS and other zealots. See www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/research/rsrr/theme5... In this analysis, speed is a factor is more than 50% of fatal accidents to those under 39 yoa, whilst for those under 25, speed was a factor in between 65% and 75% of accident. See para 3 and figure 3.2.
By your own measure, you have been proven to be in the minority. Do you accept this?Your problem is that statistics are a religion to some people.
Unfortunately the people who seem to be most vociferous about statistics are those that don't really understand them.
Have you not noticed that this thread is turning into a religion type debate.
In other words the lights are on, but nobody is home.
Or to put another way resistance is futile.
This thread should have died some time ago.
Unfortunately the people who seem to be most vociferous about statistics are those that don't really understand them.
Have you not noticed that this thread is turning into a religion type debate.
In other words the lights are on, but nobody is home.
Or to put another way resistance is futile.
This thread should have died some time ago.
The Government's petition website is interesting:
Paul Smith- Scrap Speed Cameras- 28069 signatories and unsuccessful.
Cyclists- Change The Highway Code- 29870 signatories and successful.
Smith was saying for four years that he's winning and cameras will be scrapped.
He failed, abjectly, deal with it.
Genuine question, if Smith claims speeding is safe could anyone please name which roads, shared with children cycling, he would speed on? You see accidents are not the only predictable consequence of speeding. Speeding is noisy, polluting and threatening. It terrifies vulnerable road users- pensioners, pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders. It divides communities and drives people off the roads. It discourages cycling because children are bullied off the roads. All over the country people are appealing for traffic calming and speed cameras to slow down idiot boy racers. Are all these people wrong and Smith alone right? What collosal arrogance! Speeding is aggressive, antisocial behaviour and apologists for criminals should hang their heads in shame.
Paul Smith seems to have become the chief anti-speedcamera rent-a-quote, appearing wherever there is a related story but pedalling the same message regardless.
He claims to have spent the "last six years looking at road safety as a system" but it seems more apparent that he decided what he wanted to believe and then spent the last six years looking for evidence to support this point of view.
Much of his research appears to be somewhat dubious voodoo science and his central argument is this article is entirely flawed. Speed cameras cover only a tiny fraction of the road network - but they're somehow responsible for drivers being unable to assess risk on the other 99% of roads? It doesn't even begin to make sense, does it?
Paul Smith- Scrap Speed Cameras- 28069 signatories and unsuccessful.
Cyclists- Change The Highway Code- 29870 signatories and successful.
Smith was saying for four years that he's winning and cameras will be scrapped.
He failed, abjectly, deal with it.
Genuine question, if Smith claims speeding is safe could anyone please name which roads, shared with children cycling, he would speed on? You see accidents are not the only predictable consequence of speeding. Speeding is noisy, polluting and threatening. It terrifies vulnerable road users- pensioners, pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders. It divides communities and drives people off the roads. It discourages cycling because children are bullied off the roads. All over the country people are appealing for traffic calming and speed cameras to slow down idiot boy racers. Are all these people wrong and Smith alone right? What collosal arrogance! Speeding is aggressive, antisocial behaviour and apologists for criminals should hang their heads in shame.
Paul Smith seems to have become the chief anti-speedcamera rent-a-quote, appearing wherever there is a related story but pedalling the same message regardless.
He claims to have spent the "last six years looking at road safety as a system" but it seems more apparent that he decided what he wanted to believe and then spent the last six years looking for evidence to support this point of view.
Much of his research appears to be somewhat dubious voodoo science and his central argument is this article is entirely flawed. Speed cameras cover only a tiny fraction of the road network - but they're somehow responsible for drivers being unable to assess risk on the other 99% of roads? It doesn't even begin to make sense, does it?
mitchum9999 said:
griffalo, speeding offences are avoidable by not speeding.
It is not the same as the mass murder of six million people.
I cannot believe you need this explained.
You come across as a right It is not the same as the mass murder of six million people.
I cannot believe you need this explained.
. I cannot believe you STILL need this explained..Show some respect for the dead you
ing asshole."Show some respect for the dead you ing asshole."
Paul Smith Sep 3 2001, 11:01 am
You don`t even need to know the deceased. Just picking a name for the
local newspaper`s obituary column has been known to work nicely. With a
bit of care in your choice, there`s no one to call you a liar.
(It`s on my web site :-) -- Paul Smith Scotland, UK
http://www.safespeed.org.uk
http://tinyurl.com/cnun3
Paul Smith Sep 3 2001, 11:01 am
You don`t even need to know the deceased. Just picking a name for the
local newspaper`s obituary column has been known to work nicely. With a
bit of care in your choice, there`s no one to call you a liar.
(It`s on my web site :-) -- Paul Smith Scotland, UK
http://www.safespeed.org.uk
http://tinyurl.com/cnun3
mitchum9999 said:
It terrifies vulnerable road users- pensioners, pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders. It divides communities and drives people off the roads.
You get a lot of pedestrians, cyclists and horse riders on the M6, don't you.Are you willing to compromise and admit that 75mph on a suitable motorway is perfectly safe compared to 70mph?
Plotloss said:
Dont feed the quite obvious troll gentlemen.
To criticise someone in the week of their death strikes me as spineless and quite vile and certaintly well below the standard of contribution on which PH prides itself. He should quite simply be ashamed of himself.
Time to hit the big red button?To criticise someone in the week of their death strikes me as spineless and quite vile and certaintly well below the standard of contribution on which PH prides itself. He should quite simply be ashamed of himself.
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