Penalty point on licence for littering WTF
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Works for me. I live four miles from the nearest Scottish restaurant but their packaging still finds its way to the verges around my house.
We already have the principle that driving licenece endorsement is available to the Courts as a means of punishment for non-driving offences; this seems like a good way to use it.
We already have the principle that driving licenece endorsement is available to the Courts as a means of punishment for non-driving offences; this seems like a good way to use it.
Dracoro said:
Common sense needs to be applied too. e.g. if a child throws/drops litter and the parent doesn't see (unless they are these parents with eyes in the back of their heads! 
) then a police officer seeing this should apply some discretion and so on.
You'd get chavvy parents giving their kids litter to drop for them. Chavs know the law (loop holes) better than most.) then a police officer seeing this should apply some discretion and so on.M400 NBL said:
Dracoro said:
Common sense needs to be applied too. e.g. if a child throws/drops litter and the parent doesn't see (unless they are these parents with eyes in the back of their heads! ) then a police officer seeing this should apply some discretion and so on.
You'd get chavvy parents giving their kids litter to drop for them. Chavs know the law (loop holes) better than most.) then a police officer seeing this should apply some discretion and so on.You could take it a stage further though, if they are wearing tracksuit/baseball caps/fake gold jewelry/tattoos etc. then the fine is given automatically
Antony Moxey said:
It's a good idea IMO. Threat of points will help to reduce littering more than a £30 fine, and points to the driver - nothing wrong with that, driver's will soon be on the case regarding their passengers littering.
You sure?It doesn't seem to work very well for mobile phone use so why should it for littering?
I could, however, see many possibilities for all sorts of odd jobs given uniforms and 'rights to issue tickets' to accuse people wrongly. If one is paid against targets any old plastic bag blowing around on a motorway becomes a huge revenue opportunity. "I saw that bag blowing away from your car therefore you must have thrown it out of the window." £30 ticket and a few points arive by post a couple of weeks later. Assumed guilt. Now try and prove innocence. Even if you succeed it will cost you a lot of time and effort. Welcome to the free world.
Marcellus said:
yes I think we all agree the amount of litter on the streets in the UK needs something to be done about... just look at our European cousins for clean streets (in general)!
BUT the Europeans do employ people whose job it is is to make sure the streets, verges, villages are clear of rubbish because as a community they care about their country......
but back on topic points for littering... absolutely crazy..... will you need a pedestrian licence soon which will have a points system too for running too fast, dropping litter, J walking etc etc etc
When I'm in France there tends to be bins every couple of hundred of meters.BUT the Europeans do employ people whose job it is is to make sure the streets, verges, villages are clear of rubbish because as a community they care about their country......
but back on topic points for littering... absolutely crazy..... will you need a pedestrian licence soon which will have a points system too for running too fast, dropping litter, J walking etc etc etc
I can walk right the way round the centre of Oxford without ever seeing a bin :/
kambites said:
True. I guess that's the problem with dangerous driving - it's almost impossible to define "dangerous" and hence impossible to prove.
...except it is defined by statute - "dangerous refers to danger of either injury to any person or of serious damage to property" and since the test is objective, convictions are not hard to come by. The danger can be inferred from the driving and need not manifest itself.I don't agree with points for littering UNLESS it comes from a moving vehicle when ther would be no reason not to slap a point or two on the driver but subject to common sense like not if kids chucked stuff out.
The next logical step is farting in public where you would have a latterday Hercule Poirot determining who cut the cheese.
LongQ said:
Antony Moxey said:
It's a good idea IMO. Threat of points will help to reduce littering more than a £30 fine, and points to the driver - nothing wrong with that, driver's will soon be on the case regarding their passengers littering.
You sure?It doesn't seem to work very well for mobile phone use so why should it for littering?
Antony Moxey said:
LongQ said:
Antony Moxey said:
It's a good idea IMO. Threat of points will help to reduce littering more than a £30 fine, and points to the driver - nothing wrong with that, driver's will soon be on the case regarding their passengers littering.
You sure?It doesn't seem to work very well for mobile phone use so why should it for littering?
Dracoro said:
You could take it a stage further though, if they are wearing tracksuit/baseball caps/fake gold jewelry/tattoos etc. then the fine is given automatically
Now we're getting somewhere. It'd need to be a fine for any combination of two or more of the listed items though, i'm not being fined on my way home from 5 a-side every week.rypt said:
Marcellus said:
yes I think we all agree the amount of litter on the streets in the UK needs something to be done about... just look at our European cousins for clean streets (in general)!
BUT the Europeans do employ people whose job it is is to make sure the streets, verges, villages are clear of rubbish because as a community they care about their country......
but back on topic points for littering... absolutely crazy..... will you need a pedestrian licence soon which will have a points system too for running too fast, dropping litter, J walking etc etc etc
When I'm in France there tends to be bins every couple of hundred of meters.BUT the Europeans do employ people whose job it is is to make sure the streets, verges, villages are clear of rubbish because as a community they care about their country......
but back on topic points for littering... absolutely crazy..... will you need a pedestrian licence soon which will have a points system too for running too fast, dropping litter, J walking etc etc etc
I can walk right the way round the centre of Oxford without ever seeing a bin :/
Dracoro said:
Whether you are driving a car or not should be irrelevant.
There should be on-the-spot fines for littering full stop. Whether you are in a car, walking down the high street etc. should be neither here nor there.
And it should be the person doing the littering that's fined, not the driver.
Common sense needs to be applied too. e.g. if a child throws/drops litter and the parent doesn't see (unless they are these parents with eyes in the back of their heads!) then a police officer seeing this should apply some discretion and so on.
^ I agree with this.There should be on-the-spot fines for littering full stop. Whether you are in a car, walking down the high street etc. should be neither here nor there.
And it should be the person doing the littering that's fined, not the driver.
Common sense needs to be applied too. e.g. if a child throws/drops litter and the parent doesn't see (unless they are these parents with eyes in the back of their heads!
) then a police officer seeing this should apply some discretion and so on.On a more anecdotal note, I was filtering through some traffic on my motorbike once, and a guy in the queue up ahead dropped a cigarette box out of the window of his car. I stopped next to him and said
"Hey mate, you dropped some rubbish"
Chav scrote: "Yeah. So what?"
"So aren't you going to pick it up?"
Chav: "No, why don't YOU pick it up if you care so much"
"OK" I said, then leaned down, picked up the box and threw it in his face just as the lights turned green and I was able to zoom off!
Happy days.
I really worry for this country. Not only has this lunacy been proposed, but some of you are arguing in favour of it!
Dropping litter should be a £30 fine to the person who dropped the litter, not penalty points on the nearest driver's license.
In many cases our litter bins have been removed, and the street sweepers let go, as the councils prefer to line their own pockets than provide the 'services' they keep promising.
Dropping litter should be a £30 fine to the person who dropped the litter, not penalty points on the nearest driver's license.
In many cases our litter bins have been removed, and the street sweepers let go, as the councils prefer to line their own pockets than provide the 'services' they keep promising.
Littering in general is bad and you only have to have a fag end bounce off your bike helmet to realise it can be a hazard on the road. I still do not agree with this fine and points idea though. I do not think that our societies problems such as the lack of respect and thought demonstrated by people chucking litter out of cars can be solved by creating new laws and offences.
If I got a point on my licence because a passenger in my car threw some orange peel out my window, I would collect all the rubbish in my house for a week and deposit it on the roads by hand.
This is only going to make people pissed off and do things like that, it's a stupid and absurd idea.
This is only going to make people pissed off and do things like that, it's a stupid and absurd idea.
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