Modified cars and the MOT

Modified cars and the MOT

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FreeLitres

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177 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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Noobish question -

I have never modified a car before but have wondered what happens when it comes to the MOT?

Imagine upgrading a GTi with a massive turbo and uprated injectors for example. Wouldn't the car be producing more emmisions that a stock version? So Mr MOT tests it and finds the emmisions are way too high for "a GTi", so it would fail the MOT, right? Similarly, if you transplant a V6 engine into an MR2, wouldnt the MOT assessor expect the emmisions of a smaller 2.0 4-pot?

It's probably a simple answer, but how do you get around these issues?

thinfourth2

32,414 posts

204 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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Ah the youth of today

emissions do not equal CO2

they look at CO and a few other gases so it is about how good your combustion is not how much Co2 you pump out

Isn't labour schooling crap

FreeLitres

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Sunday 26th July 2009
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Thanks for your reply.

I think.

LeightonBuzzard

463 posts

178 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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thinfourth2 said:
Ah the youth of today

emissions do not equal CO2

they look at CO and a few other gases so it is about how good your combustion is not how much Co2 you pump out

Isn't labour schooling crap
As stated the emissions test tests the % of CO and HC's not the amount.

FreeLitres

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Sunday 26th July 2009
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Ok, so it takes into acount Hydrocarbons as part of the measurement. Hydrocarbons could be unburnt fuel, right?

So what about a highly modified Evo running anti-lag? Wouldn't this be throwing more hydrocarbons out of the exhaust pipe than a standard Evo?

Also, would you expect 4.5 litre Cerbera engine to produce the same amount of hydrocarbons as a 800cc hatchback? I just find that surprising.

Emubiker

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180 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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the emisions test is also based on what the car is registered as, so for ur mr2 if it was still registered as a 2.0 but you managed to get a v6 in it then yes the emmisions would be high, if however you registered it properly (as would be illegal not to) the emmisions would be ok, presuming the engine in is good order.

deeen

6,080 posts

245 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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no, as L-B said its percentage... so if your total gas exhausted is double the standard car, then your CO2 can be double, hydrocarbons can be double... etc

Edited by deeen on Sunday 26th July 18:11

Truckosaurus

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284 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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Which is why Land Rover, and I'm sure others, fitted an air pump to the exhaust of certain models to 'water down' the emissions readings in such tests.

Kozy

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218 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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It's basically to check your air fuel ratio is correct.

jagracer

8,248 posts

236 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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FreeLitres said:
Noobish question -
Imagine upgrading a GTi with a massive turbo and uprated injectors for example. Wouldn't the car be producing more emmisions that a stock version? So Mr MOT tests it and finds the emmisions are way too high for "a GTi", so it would fail the MOT, right?
Yes it would fail if they are way too high but cars are tested in the first instance by year not model.
FreeLitres said:
Similarly, if you transplant a V6 engine into an MR2, wouldnt the MOT assessor expect the emmisions of a smaller 2.0 4-pot?
No.
We're supposed to test to what the engine is, well that's the idea with age so for instance if you have a brand new car and fit a 1980 engine, providing you can prove it's a 1980 engine we would test to those standards. Although I've never come across it before the same would apply to fitting a larger engine but of a similar age to the original





Edited by jagracer on Sunday 26th July 18:53

FreeLitres

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Sunday 26th July 2009
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I see what you are saying about percentage of emission, rather than absolute volume.

The thing that confuses me is that I can practically smell the petrol coming out of a TVR when they drive past. Do TVRs really release the same percentage of petrol vapour out of their exhaust pipes as a basic Corsa?

LeightonBuzzard

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Sunday 26th July 2009
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FreeLitres said:
I see what you are saying about percentage of emission, rather than absolute volume.

The thing that confuses me is that I can practically smell the petrol coming out of a TVR when they drive past. Do TVRs really release the same percentage of petrol vapour out of their exhaust pipes as a basic Corsa?
Probs a de-cat lol. Sometimes we have 15 year old cars come in which are 'cleaner' burners than 3 year old cars. The emissions test goes on what came 1st; the engine or the car.

FreeLitres

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Sunday 26th July 2009
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Thanks jagracer - your response came as I was typing so please ignore the last question.

deeen

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Sunday 26th July 2009
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no, and jagracer wil confirm this, but...
my understanding is that the emissions allowed are different for different cars
the mot test just confirms emissions are within correct limit for that model / age of car
a pre-cat TVR will smell different from a car with catalytic converter...
and i'm sure if you modify your car, and it fails the emissions test, there are things you can do to rectify the situation
so what mods are you actually planning?


Edited by deeen on Sunday 26th July 19:10

FreeLitres

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Sunday 26th July 2009
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Ok, so I think I have this now...

So if I transplant a pre-cat TVR engine into a brand new Fiesta, it would have to be tested as a pre-cat TVR, rather than a Fiesta... Not that I am planning on doing this of course!

As for my mods - nothing planned for my current car (3.0 X-Type). Any more power will likely strip the delicate chocolate transfer box. For my next car though, supercharging a S2000 could be of interest.

choading

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183 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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thinfourth2 said:
Ah the youth of today

emissions do not equal CO2

they look at CO and a few other gases so it is about how good your combustion is not how much Co2 you pump out

Isn't labour schooling crap
what a northern monkey bellend

Fish981

1,441 posts

185 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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deeen said:
no, and jagracer wil confirm this, but...
my understanding is that the emissions allowed are different for different cars
Yes and no. There is a basic emmission test (BET) for specific years that every car should pass e.g. a 2003 Range Rover will have the same emission test as a 2003 Clio. However if the car fails the BET then it can be tested against the manufacturer specific data for that particular model. A car that fails the BET but passes the specific one is probably gonna fail the next year though.

jagracer

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236 months

Sunday 26th July 2009
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FreeLitres said:
Ok, so I think I have this now...

So if I transplant a pre-cat TVR engine into a brand new Fiesta, it would have to be tested as a pre-cat TVR, rather than a Fiesta... Not that I am planning on doing this of course!

As for my mods - nothing planned for my current car (3.0 X-Type). Any more power will likely strip the delicate chocolate transfer box. For my next car though, supercharging a S2000 could be of interest.
Well in theory you would test for the age of the TVR engine regardless of whether it has cats fitted or not but the onus is on the presenter to give written proof of the age of the engine.
A car is initially given a basic emission test, if it fails that, as in the case of some TVRs we can then do a full cat test for which we have tables of emissions which are often more lenient. There is another thread similar to this at http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... if you can be arsed wading through it.


Edited; fish981 beat me to it.

Edited by jagracer on Sunday 26th July 19:27

FreeLitres

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Sunday 26th July 2009
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Very informative responses! Thanks for taking the time to explain this to me.

Fish981

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Sunday 26th July 2009
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jagracer said:
FreeLitres said:
Ok, so I think I have this now...

So if I transplant a pre-cat TVR engine into a brand new Fiesta, it would have to be tested as a pre-cat TVR, rather than a Fiesta... Not that I am planning on doing this of course!

As for my mods - nothing planned for my current car (3.0 X-Type). Any more power will likely strip the delicate chocolate transfer box. For my next car though, supercharging a S2000 could be of interest.
Well in theory you would test for the age of the TVR engine regardless of whether it has cats fitted or not but the onus is on the presenter to give written proof of the age of the engine.
A car is initially given a basic emission test, if it fails that, as in the case of some TVRs we can then do a full cat test for which we have tables of emissions which are often more lenient. There is another thread similar to this at http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... if you can be arsed wading through it.


Edited; fish981 beat me to it.
Go me ;-)