toyo r888's, good on the wet???????????

[GT03ROB]

Berger 3rd said:

a mate had them on a turbo vx220, he spun 180 in the rain into an armco and wrote it off. Not blaming the tyres at all, but according to his reports he was driving carefully, but was suprised how quickly and easily it just snapped, I would imagine the tyres didnt help though.

always fancied them myself but think in an s2000 might be a bit lethal in the rain

To be fair that can happen on any wide tyre as you seem to realise. It's a question of recognising what tyres you are running & their limitations. If you know there is standing water & are running 888's slow down, to be honest I'd do the same with PS2's. Doesn't matter what tyres you use if they are wide they will be prone to planing,

[WorAl]

dom180 said:

WorAl said:

T1R's are what you want, superb toyo tyre in the wet and dry. Either that or Vredestien Ultrac Sessanta's (amazing write up).

So good they came bottom in the highly regarded Auto Zeitung's Summer tyre test.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2009-Auto-Zei...

Yeah and they have Bridgestone RA 050's near the top worst tyres, I've experienced on 2 cars

[smart move]

On a Vx 220 I found them better in damp conditions than I was expecting - never took them out in standing water. Where the performance really dropped off was in cold frosty conditions - Wide tyre, little weight, scary handling! I wouldn't want to run them into a British winter.
Having run a set on the road I wouldn't bother again. When dry there's too much grip, and hence less fun.

[dom180]

WorAl said:

dom180 said:

WorAl said:

T1R's are what you want, superb toyo tyre in the wet and dry. Either that or Vredestien Ultrac Sessanta's (amazing write up).

So good they came bottom in the highly regarded Auto Zeitung's Summer tyre test.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2009-Auto-Zei...

Yeah and they have Bridgestone RA 050's near the top worst tyres, I've experienced on 2 cars

Lotus opted for new P zeros with the Evora over bespoke Yokos - presumably they'd have tried out all the options too.

[GT4 Baz]

I find that on a 225 width (225/50/16) the R888's were very good in the wet, assuming the surface was damp rather than large amounts of standing water. In standing water, they are terrible, definitely a pulse quickener!

As an overall tyre, I think that the PS2 are fantastic, great in the wet and dry, decent wear rate, low noise, firm sidewalls and about the same price as R888's.

I also rate the PS2 on track as well ,it is a very capable (if expensive) tyre.

[Arun_D]

I've ran R888's through winter on my R26.R and to echo what's already been said, they do an admirable job if you keep your sensible hat on through wet weather and standing water especially. They're by no means a tyre that will chew you up and spit you out at the slightest hint of damp tarmac (as some people with zero experience of them tend to comment on), in-fact on greasy and wet tarmac, they still do a very impressive job due to the amount of rubber in contact (depending on the tyre temperature, naturally). Standing water demands great caution, and that's where you're likely to have issues.

As mentioned before wear is the real issue that stops these from being a realistic everyday tyre. They just don't last, and of course can't cope with heavy water dispersal.

Edited by Arun_D on Tuesday 11th August 21:02

[Davie]

I found them to be pretty good on the road. We drove a 1500 mile round trip on various roads and in various conditions including some serious rain on the M6 and granted, there were a few arse quaking momments but they certainly weren't as bad as I was expecting. In the dry on smooth roads, superb ammounts of grip.

Ironically, I had them on a completely battered, rusty 1.6L (honest...officer) Cavalier... that raised a few eyebrows parked up, wheels on lock. Ultimate sleeper! However, echo the comments about T1R's, one of the best tyres I've ever had and cannot fault them in any way, shape or form. I've run them daily in some pretty extreme conditions and have done various trackdays on them too. Never caused me any issue.

[Shropshiremike]

These are the R1Rs if they ever get around to releasing them on a big scale



I've seen them on a newish Lancer but other than that, not on sale yet

[sa_20v]

Shropshiremike said:

These are the R1Rs if they ever get around to releasing them on a big scale



I've seen them on a newish Lancer but other than that, not on sale yet

This is the future, sadly - I believe the EU are making plans to ban tyres like the R888...

[Eddh]

sa_20v said:

This is the future, sadly - I believe the EU are making plans to ban tyres like the R888...

I know not sure as and when this will come in but it will be a right pain.

[Orangecurry]

caymanred said:

allo guys,

been thinking a lot about buying some toyo r888's for my car lately, does anyone know what they are like for everyday use, i have michelen pilot sports atm that are very good, and my car is RWD, just wondering how much worse would the toyos be in the wet, and how much better are they then the michelens in the dry??

cheers!

Everyone else has made the point about the Toyos - have you considered the legendary Bridgestone SO2? It sits nicely in the middle of the above as a very good track-tyre that wears well and handles wet/cold weather. It even comes in n-rating, if that matters to you (or your warranty).

ETA NOT the SO2A or SO3 (these are poor in comparison)

SO2 on the right, Sessanta on the left.

Edited by Orangecurry on Wednesday 12th August 10:28

[zakelwe]

2 points,

1) Will Toyo ever release those R1R's? They keep getting delayed for various reasons in Europe. I don't fancy the wear or noise of the pure R888 but do fancy the extra grip over the T1-R's

2) Has anyone got experience of R888's or similar on the front and poorer tyres on the back with a FWD hatchback?

You can probably guess where I am coming from with that question, but is theory actually a disaster in practice?

Regards

Andy

[Shropshiremike]

zakelwe said:

2 points,

1) Will Toyo ever release those R1R's? They keep getting delayed for various reasons in Europe. I don't fancy the wear or noise of the pure R888 but do fancy the extra grip over the T1-R's


Regards

Andy

I'm not sure Andy....and neither does anyone seem to be at Toyo when you ask them. Last guy cited economic uncertainly as a possible 'staller'

[Shropshiremike]

Orangecurry said:

caymanred said:

allo guys,

been thinking a lot about buying some toyo r888's for my car lately, does anyone know what they are like for everyday use, i have michelen pilot sports atm that are very good, and my car is RWD, just wondering how much worse would the toyos be in the wet, and how much better are they then the michelens in the dry??

cheers!

Everyone else has made the point about the Toyos - have you considered the legendary Bridgestone SO2? It sits nicely in the middle of the above as a very good track-tyre that wears well and handles wet/cold weather. It even comes in n-rating, if that matters to you (or your warranty).

ETA NOT the SO2A or SO3 (these are poor in comparison)

Yes, I used the S-02s when they were about and thought they were excellent. I tried a set of S-03s and they were nowhere near as good on my car.

Honda fitted some variant of S-02 on the S2000 for a long while after the S-02 became generally unavailable. What sizes can you get in the Porsche fitments of S-02?

[Mark A S]

I am sure i read somewhere on PH that the Toyo R1R have "issues" in cold weather, i/e 0C or below??, apparently, sidewalls cracking??
Anyone confirm?

[Orangecurry]

Shropshiremike said:

What sizes can you get in the Porsche fitments of S-02?

You can still get
205/50/17 KZ N3 (106 GBP)
and
255/40/17 94ZR KZ N3 (120 GBP)
for sure.... don't know about other sizes.

Prices as showing on tyretraders.co.uk today, and fasttyres.co.uk do them as well.

When I ordered mine in summer 2008, they arrived with a very fresh manufacturing date, so this isn't old stock.

Edited by Orangecurry on Wednesday 12th August 11:34

[jon-]

Mark A S said:

I am sure i read somewhere on PH that the Toyo R1R have "issues" in cold weather, i/e 0C or below??, apparently, sidewalls cracking??
Anyone confirm?

Toyo R888/R1R warning

Unfortunately I never heard back from Toyo UK, it was Toyo US that put out the warning.

Edited by jon- on Wednesday 12th August 11:30

[Regional]

I've raced on R888's (GG compound) and cant rate them highly enough, good in the wet - very predictable when up to temp, lairy as hell when cold

Wouldn't want to use them on the road unless driving to a trackday...

[zakelwe]

jon- said:

Mark A S said:

I am sure i read somewhere on PH that the Toyo R1R have "issues" in cold weather, i/e 0C or below??, apparently, sidewalls cracking??
Anyone confirm?

Toyo R888/R1R warning

Unfortunately I never heard back from Toyo UK, it was Toyo US that put out the warning.

Edited by jon- on Wednesday 12th August 11:30

That's interesting, I saw this a while back

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=92409

which seems to indicate at high temps the tread has problems too. the plot thickens.

I have a set of cheap Federal 595's on at the moment which are very progressive ( they start to slide early and continue ) which is quite good fun but they howl like my wife when the full moon comes out, it is rather embarrassing.

Regards

Andy

[jon-]

zakelwe said:

jon- said:

Mark A S said:

I am sure i read somewhere on PH that the Toyo R1R have "issues" in cold weather, i/e 0C or below??, apparently, sidewalls cracking??
Anyone confirm?

Toyo R888/R1R warning

Unfortunately I never heard back from Toyo UK, it was Toyo US that put out the warning.

Edited by jon- on Wednesday 12th August 11:30

That's interesting, I saw this a while back

http://www.imoc.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=92409

which seems to indicate at high temps the tread has problems too. the plot thickens.

I have a set of cheap Federal 595's on at the moment which are very progressive ( they start to slide early and continue ) which is quite good fun but they howl like my wife when the full moon comes out, it is rather embarrassing.

Regards

Andy

I'd not seen that thread, interesting. Perhaps Toyo just tried to release the R888 compound with more tread blocks and underestimated the extra heat that would be generated by movement.