Ferrari 456 - - - would you?
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LHD said:
You can't really view a Ferrari as an everyday car.
The stupid cambelt intervals see to that.
But, as the good Dr has said, you look a prize dick driving one in the UK.
That's a major and inescapable obstacle...some obviously think they can get away with it...I'm not sure they succeed?The stupid cambelt intervals see to that.
But, as the good Dr has said, you look a prize dick driving one in the UK.
derin100 said:
LHD said:
You can't really view a Ferrari as an everyday car.
The stupid cambelt intervals see to that.
But, as the good Dr has said, you look a prize dick driving one in the UK.
That's a major and inescapable obstacle...some obviously think they can get away with it...I'm not sure they succeed?The stupid cambelt intervals see to that.
But, as the good Dr has said, you look a prize dick driving one in the UK.
Pesty said:
derin100 said:
Stuff
Nice web site
I've currently got a classic Mercedes dealer 'offering' yet still "umming and ahhhing" over giving me less than the price of four Ferrari shock absorbers for this whole Mercedes with only 69K miles on the clock!
http://www.bmwclassics.co.uk/gallery/index.php?spg...
LHD said:
derin100 said:
LHD said:
You can't really view a Ferrari as an everyday car.
The stupid cambelt intervals see to that.
But, as the good Dr has said, you look a prize dick driving one in the UK.
That's a major and inescapable obstacle...some obviously think they can get away with it...I'm not sure they succeed?The stupid cambelt intervals see to that.
But, as the good Dr has said, you look a prize dick driving one in the UK.
derin100 said:
I've always really liked the look of those cars but those running costs are just simple extortion!
I've just looked at that very helpful and enlightening summary over 103 months of ownership but only 17K miles i.e £36000 or £2.10/mile.
Let's have a reality check here for a sec:
I don't know what everyone else's income is here?...Maybe everyone is mega-rich? I wouldn't class myself as such but I earn (without wishing to go into specifics) a six figure sum annually and the first figure isn't a "1" and I don't have a mortgage.
For me to drive to work and back, for example (actually on roads where such a car could be enjoyed!), is a mere 10 miles and takes less than 15 mins each way. That half hour round trip is apparently going to cost me £42...each time?!
Sorry...but on my meagre earnings...that's just way too much!
So in answer to the OP: "Would I?"
"Not without a huge increase in my income!"
i'm sorry, i've read that 3 times (yes i've had wine) but your saying you earn over £200,000 a year with no mortgage, yes? and your worried about it costing you just over 10k a year to get to work and back in a Ferrari! what kind of PH'er are you?I've just looked at that very helpful and enlightening summary over 103 months of ownership but only 17K miles i.e £36000 or £2.10/mile.
Let's have a reality check here for a sec:
I don't know what everyone else's income is here?...Maybe everyone is mega-rich? I wouldn't class myself as such but I earn (without wishing to go into specifics) a six figure sum annually and the first figure isn't a "1" and I don't have a mortgage.
For me to drive to work and back, for example (actually on roads where such a car could be enjoyed!), is a mere 10 miles and takes less than 15 mins each way. That half hour round trip is apparently going to cost me £42...each time?!
Sorry...but on my meagre earnings...that's just way too much!
So in answer to the OP: "Would I?"
"Not without a huge increase in my income!"
Edited by derin100 on Sunday 24th January 21:00
LOL my salary doesn't even take me into the 40% tax bracket and my daily commute has cost me inc the depreciation over 15K in 18 months! and i DO have a mortgage to pay...
no offense but are u saving for the biggest headstone in the graveyard?
Nano2nd said:
derin100 said:
I've always really liked the look of those cars but those running costs are just simple extortion!
I've just looked at that very helpful and enlightening summary over 103 months of ownership but only 17K miles i.e £36000 or £2.10/mile.
Let's have a reality check here for a sec:
I don't know what everyone else's income is here?...Maybe everyone is mega-rich? I wouldn't class myself as such but I earn (without wishing to go into specifics) a six figure sum annually and the first figure isn't a "1" and I don't have a mortgage.
For me to drive to work and back, for example (actually on roads where such a car could be enjoyed!), is a mere 10 miles and takes less than 15 mins each way. That half hour round trip is apparently going to cost me £42...each time?!
Sorry...but on my meagre earnings...that's just way too much!
So in answer to the OP: "Would I?"
"Not without a huge increase in my income!"
i'm sorry, i've read that 3 times (yes i've had wine) but your saying you earn over £200,000 a year with no mortgage, yes? and your worried about it costing you just over 10k a year to get to work and back in a Ferrari! what kind of PH'er are you?I've just looked at that very helpful and enlightening summary over 103 months of ownership but only 17K miles i.e £36000 or £2.10/mile.
Let's have a reality check here for a sec:
I don't know what everyone else's income is here?...Maybe everyone is mega-rich? I wouldn't class myself as such but I earn (without wishing to go into specifics) a six figure sum annually and the first figure isn't a "1" and I don't have a mortgage.
For me to drive to work and back, for example (actually on roads where such a car could be enjoyed!), is a mere 10 miles and takes less than 15 mins each way. That half hour round trip is apparently going to cost me £42...each time?!
Sorry...but on my meagre earnings...that's just way too much!
So in answer to the OP: "Would I?"
"Not without a huge increase in my income!"
Edited by derin100 on Sunday 24th January 21:00
LOL my salary doesn't even take me into the 40% tax bracket and my daily commute has cost me inc the depreciation over 15K in 18 months! and i DO have a mortgage to pay...
no offense but are u saving for the biggest headstone in the graveyard?
My take on this is (i.e work, payment etc) is thus...and ironically this was said to me many, many years ago by the father of a friend of mine who owned two brand new Ferraris(308 GTB and 308 GTS...when they were new) and it has stuck with me as a truism ever since:
"Work...is something we do in this society because we all have to do it to survive. It's something inherently we don't want to do. Instinctively, we'd rather be sitting on a beach in the Caribbean with a case of Red Stripe next to us doing nothing.
So, in order for us to 'work' we need to be paid. Payment is essentially 'compensation' for doing something we don't really want to be doing in the first place."
Once we understand that and excepting either a few really lucky people who absolutely LOVE their jobs or saddos who have such narrow horizons that they genuinely can't think of anything more satisfying than working then we're left with the vast majority of us,normal people who would rather be (figuratively): "Sitting on a beach with a case of Red Stripe" than working?
As I wish to achieve that position sooner rather than later...and not have to work and thus be compensated for doing something with my TIME (which I regard as the most precious commodity we have)I would rather not waste the sweat of my brow being ripped off by ridiculous 'fantasies' sold to me by FIAT dealers and their Kling-ons who wish to take £3000 (after tax i.e nearly £6000) for 4 shock absorbers etc on one of their cars in under 30K miles....for example!
I don't want to be working forever...and I certainly don't want to be working to pay FIAT £2.10/mile.
What kind of PH'er am I? Well, look here:
www.bmwclassics.co.uk
(p.s The "Gallery" is the best place to look)
Cheers...don't worry...I've had wine too!
Edited by derin100 on Sunday 24th January 23:50
Edited by derin100 on Sunday 24th January 23:51
LHD said:
But, as the good Dr has said, you look a prize dick driving one in the UK.
Yes, but the apt response to that is either"f
k you, I am in a Ferrari" or " I may be a prize dick, but at least I am a prize dick in a Ferrari, not a prize dick in a...." If I had a Ferrari and could afford to run one I wouldn't give a toss what anyone thought of me, why should I?
I don't understand, why does someone look like a dick for having a Ferrari in the UK?
pits said:
LHD said:
But, as the good Dr has said, you look a prize dick driving one in the UK.
Yes, but the apt response to that is either"f
k you, I am in a Ferrari" or " I may be a prize dick, but at least I am a prize dick in a Ferrari, not a prize dick in a...." If I had a Ferrari and could afford to run one I wouldn't give a toss what anyone thought of me, why should I?
I don't understand, why does someone look like a dick for having a Ferrari in the UK?
Ferrari ownership is within the reach of most individuals with some hard work.
Too many proles have sadly ruined the reputation.
Oh! I should have mentioned before I switched my computer off...The person who gave me that advice nearly 30 years ago when I was a teenager didn't buy those Ferraris himself...they were given to him as company cars and then given to him to keep after 3 years.
He wouldn't have been stupid enough to put his own hard earned sweat into something like that!
He wouldn't have been stupid enough to put his own hard earned sweat into something like that!
Gaz. said:
I certainly see where you're coming from Derin, but people have different work/life balances, some would rather work like a dog for all the hours possible and 'retire' in their forties then live a life of fun for the second half of their lives, where's others would rather have a little bit of fun as they go along and work for a bit longer, and yet some people would rather piss it all away and work forever trying to live like a rock star on the wages of a roadie. No one is right or wrong, we are all given choices, some with regret & some with satisfaction. 
I agree Gaz....there's no 'right and wrong' here...I'm just stating an alternative way and thought process and (hopefully) it stimulates some discussion and 'thought' amongst us?Cheers
Edited by derin100 on Monday 25th January 00:12
Schermerhorn said:
bananapieface said:
I read on here that a bonnet can cost 12k, can anyone shed truth on that?
For an 'M' GT models (1998 onwards) yes it does because it is a single piece of carbon fibre. Infact, I think it was the largest single piece of carbon fibre on a production car for 10 years.This question also received plenty of input about 8 months ago http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?h=0... oh why are 456 Ferrari's so cheap?
...I'm not being the repost police, just putting a load more info in.
...I'm not being the repost police, just putting a load more info in.
I agree with Derin although it is somewhat of a puritanical view on life. I think I'll bin any notion of a Ferrari for now but go with something else a little more affordable but equally fun. You need to have fun on the way you know Derin. People die of heart attacks in their 40s too and then you go to your grave with money in your bank account. That is equally pointless!
derin100 said:
We've already replaced the rear shock absorbers once under warranty...then we're replacing all 4 again..for £3000? LOL!...They're only flipping shock absorbers...Who makes them? Faberge? No! Probably Bilstein...and as fitted to a Volvo T5 or something.
First off, it's the spring that's the shock absorber. The bit you're talking about is the damper. Sorry to be picky! Secondly, the entire design of the internals and spec will be different from car to car. Just because a Volvo runs Bilsteins doesn't mean they'll be interchangeable with a Ferrari! Thirdly, the cost of the damper will be affected by how many units are made and the amount of development cost that went into it. I do agree with you though, £750 each is rather steep! Mind you, bear in mind how much the bonnet costs...The answer to the OP's question is yes, I would run a Ferrari 456 if I could afford it. They're beautiful and in my opinion a real classic. The fact is though that the money it costs to run a 456 could pay for a good bit of a season's racing, or a top notch holiday to the Maldives, and I'd rather do that thanks!
BigBen said:
Schermerhorn said:
bananapieface said:
I read on here that a bonnet can cost 12k, can anyone shed truth on that?
For an 'M' GT models (1998 onwards) yes it does because it is a single piece of carbon fibre. Infact, I think it was the largest single piece of carbon fibre on a production car for 10 years.Dampers, suspension parts, belts etc are a much better indicator. I think the 456M remedied the door seal issues which can cost silly money.
I'd be tempted by one, but you'd have to buy carefully. They are in the price range of folk who may buy them thinking they'll have BMW running costs and have scrimped, creating a moneypit. You really need to buy one from an old Lord who has had it from new and is chopping it in as his new hip doesnt let him enjoy it.
LHD said:
You can't really view a Ferrari as an everyday car.
The stupid cambelt intervals see to that.
But, as the good Dr has said, you look a prize dick driving one in the UK.
?The stupid cambelt intervals see to that.
But, as the good Dr has said, you look a prize dick driving one in the UK.
Every 3-5 years (F-UK listed as 3, FNA 5) is the same sort of interval most people set and given the position of the belts on a 456, not much of an issue to change.
Yes some parts are huge money to buy new from Ferrari, no doubt at least part of the reason why they were so expensive when new
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