Transferring private plate without MOT
Discussion
motoroller said:
Altrezia said:
My Mrs lost her 21st birthday prezzie plate because of this. By the time the DVLA had got back to her (she applied to do it without having an MOT - you can appeal if it is not motable) she had already given up and sold most of the parts of the car - it was just a bare shell (which she presumed would be enough to prove the car had existed..)
Madness.
What happened to the plate - is it for sale from the DVLA again?Madness.
Vixpy1 said:
johnnyBv8 said:
motoroller said:
SystemParanoia said:
I had a bare ( with terminal unsalvageable rust ) shell once that I wanted the plate off... no chance of it ever rolling again, nevermind driving.
I just got a dodgy mot.
Its not like I ever planned on driving the car, or that there would ever be a victim as a result of me getting this piece of paper.
How does one go about... err... obtaining this paper?I just got a dodgy mot.
Its not like I ever planned on driving the car, or that there would ever be a victim as a result of me getting this piece of paper.
ks is it difficult, the MOT system is dodgier now that it ever was. 
julian64 said:
Bedford Rascal said:
julian64 said:
I had the logbooks in my hand for W1 and W2.
My father handed me the logbooks, as he'd been keeping them for years. I rang the DVLA and they immediately panicked as I believe they had already sold them on.
My father had bought them both during the last war. They were on two 'cyclemasters' which was basically an engine you attached to your bike. He bought them to get extra petrol coupons at the time.
The DVLA tried to bail itself out initially by saying the logbooks were too old to claim. Then when that failed they wanted me to present the logbooks and vehicle in london (I live in kent). Then when they heard they were attached to cyclemasters they made up some guff about not being on an mot'able vehicle and therefore not viable. What made me laugh was some bod ringing about three weeks later and asking that despite them being not viable they would like to view the documents anyway and would I send them up to them.
I assume from the amount of panic from the DVLA's end w1, and w2 would have commanded quite a lot of money.
What happened!?My father handed me the logbooks, as he'd been keeping them for years. I rang the DVLA and they immediately panicked as I believe they had already sold them on.
My father had bought them both during the last war. They were on two 'cyclemasters' which was basically an engine you attached to your bike. He bought them to get extra petrol coupons at the time.
The DVLA tried to bail itself out initially by saying the logbooks were too old to claim. Then when that failed they wanted me to present the logbooks and vehicle in london (I live in kent). Then when they heard they were attached to cyclemasters they made up some guff about not being on an mot'able vehicle and therefore not viable. What made me laugh was some bod ringing about three weeks later and asking that despite them being not viable they would like to view the documents anyway and would I send them up to them.
I assume from the amount of panic from the DVLA's end w1, and w2 would have commanded quite a lot of money.
http://www.classic-wheels.co.uk/old_cyclemaster_po...
But in their day they had to have proper number plates
I didn't send them the log books. Old brown colour in three vertical folds as I remember, and gave them back to my father as keep sakes. He still has them as far as I know. As for the actual cyclemasters they long since were disposed of, my father had just kept the log books. In those days there was nothing to stop you transferring plates with or without a vehicle as long as you had the logbook ownership.
The good news is they died a good death as the reason he wanted them was to get petrol coupons for his aluminium bodied XK120 special which was a bit fuel thirsty as he described it
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...?Bedford Rascal said:
julian64 said:
Bedford Rascal said:
julian64 said:
I had the logbooks in my hand for W1 and W2.
My father handed me the logbooks, as he'd been keeping them for years. I rang the DVLA and they immediately panicked as I believe they had already sold them on.
My father had bought them both during the last war. They were on two 'cyclemasters' which was basically an engine you attached to your bike. He bought them to get extra petrol coupons at the time.
The DVLA tried to bail itself out initially by saying the logbooks were too old to claim. Then when that failed they wanted me to present the logbooks and vehicle in london (I live in kent). Then when they heard they were attached to cyclemasters they made up some guff about not being on an mot'able vehicle and therefore not viable. What made me laugh was some bod ringing about three weeks later and asking that despite them being not viable they would like to view the documents anyway and would I send them up to them.
I assume from the amount of panic from the DVLA's end w1, and w2 would have commanded quite a lot of money.
What happened!?My father handed me the logbooks, as he'd been keeping them for years. I rang the DVLA and they immediately panicked as I believe they had already sold them on.
My father had bought them both during the last war. They were on two 'cyclemasters' which was basically an engine you attached to your bike. He bought them to get extra petrol coupons at the time.
The DVLA tried to bail itself out initially by saying the logbooks were too old to claim. Then when that failed they wanted me to present the logbooks and vehicle in london (I live in kent). Then when they heard they were attached to cyclemasters they made up some guff about not being on an mot'able vehicle and therefore not viable. What made me laugh was some bod ringing about three weeks later and asking that despite them being not viable they would like to view the documents anyway and would I send them up to them.
I assume from the amount of panic from the DVLA's end w1, and w2 would have commanded quite a lot of money.
http://www.classic-wheels.co.uk/old_cyclemaster_po...
But in their day they had to have proper number plates
I didn't send them the log books. Old brown colour in three vertical folds as I remember, and gave them back to my father as keep sakes. He still has them as far as I know. As for the actual cyclemasters they long since were disposed of, my father had just kept the log books. In those days there was nothing to stop you transferring plates with or without a vehicle as long as you had the logbook ownership.
The good news is they died a good death as the reason he wanted them was to get petrol coupons for his aluminium bodied XK120 special which was a bit fuel thirsty as he described it
. ...?musclecarmad said:
They inspect all cars over 15 yrs old and if it has no tax they will wanna inspect it and if its had no mot for a while then gets one they may inspect.
They dont, otherwise they would have rumbled the fact that the 1982 car we were transferring the reg off was actually in mongolia at the time
julian64 said:
Bedford Rascal said:
julian64 said:
Bedford Rascal said:
julian64 said:
I had the logbooks in my hand for W1 and W2.
My father handed me the logbooks, as he'd been keeping them for years. I rang the DVLA and they immediately panicked as I believe they had already sold them on.
My father had bought them both during the last war. They were on two 'cyclemasters' which was basically an engine you attached to your bike. He bought them to get extra petrol coupons at the time.
The DVLA tried to bail itself out initially by saying the logbooks were too old to claim. Then when that failed they wanted me to present the logbooks and vehicle in london (I live in kent). Then when they heard they were attached to cyclemasters they made up some guff about not being on an mot'able vehicle and therefore not viable. What made me laugh was some bod ringing about three weeks later and asking that despite them being not viable they would like to view the documents anyway and would I send them up to them.
I assume from the amount of panic from the DVLA's end w1, and w2 would have commanded quite a lot of money.
What happened!?My father handed me the logbooks, as he'd been keeping them for years. I rang the DVLA and they immediately panicked as I believe they had already sold them on.
My father had bought them both during the last war. They were on two 'cyclemasters' which was basically an engine you attached to your bike. He bought them to get extra petrol coupons at the time.
The DVLA tried to bail itself out initially by saying the logbooks were too old to claim. Then when that failed they wanted me to present the logbooks and vehicle in london (I live in kent). Then when they heard they were attached to cyclemasters they made up some guff about not being on an mot'able vehicle and therefore not viable. What made me laugh was some bod ringing about three weeks later and asking that despite them being not viable they would like to view the documents anyway and would I send them up to them.
I assume from the amount of panic from the DVLA's end w1, and w2 would have commanded quite a lot of money.
http://www.classic-wheels.co.uk/old_cyclemaster_po...
But in their day they had to have proper number plates
I didn't send them the log books. Old brown colour in three vertical folds as I remember, and gave them back to my father as keep sakes. He still has them as far as I know. As for the actual cyclemasters they long since were disposed of, my father had just kept the log books. In those days there was nothing to stop you transferring plates with or without a vehicle as long as you had the logbook ownership.
The good news is they died a good death as the reason he wanted them was to get petrol coupons for his aluminium bodied XK120 special which was a bit fuel thirsty as he described it
. ...?The more they are worth, so the more it's worth doing, the more the DVLA will scrutinise any shenanigans.
I 'know' of one that is worth about £7000, but to get it without issue you'd need to buy a car of very old origin that would probably cost £7000, then make it so it can't be identified as not the one as per the old log book, and then get the new style V5, transfer it, then sell the car again
It's all a bit of an arse really. Worth trying but as said, the more it's worth, the more they will scrutinise, so the more time/money you need to spend to not have a risk of them calling bluff and taking it off your hands for nowt.
Dave
I 'know' of one that is worth about £7000, but to get it without issue you'd need to buy a car of very old origin that would probably cost £7000, then make it so it can't be identified as not the one as per the old log book, and then get the new style V5, transfer it, then sell the car again
It's all a bit of an arse really. Worth trying but as said, the more it's worth, the more they will scrutinise, so the more time/money you need to spend to not have a risk of them calling bluff and taking it off your hands for nowt.
Dave
robsti said:
julian64 said:
Bedford Rascal said:
julian64 said:
Bedford Rascal said:
julian64 said:
I had the logbooks in my hand for W1 and W2.
My father handed me the logbooks, as he'd been keeping them for years. I rang the DVLA and they immediately panicked as I believe they had already sold them on.
My father had bought them both during the last war. They were on two 'cyclemasters' which was basically an engine you attached to your bike. He bought them to get extra petrol coupons at the time.
The DVLA tried to bail itself out initially by saying the logbooks were too old to claim. Then when that failed they wanted me to present the logbooks and vehicle in london (I live in kent). Then when they heard they were attached to cyclemasters they made up some guff about not being on an mot'able vehicle and therefore not viable. What made me laugh was some bod ringing about three weeks later and asking that despite them being not viable they would like to view the documents anyway and would I send them up to them.
I assume from the amount of panic from the DVLA's end w1, and w2 would have commanded quite a lot of money.
What happened!?My father handed me the logbooks, as he'd been keeping them for years. I rang the DVLA and they immediately panicked as I believe they had already sold them on.
My father had bought them both during the last war. They were on two 'cyclemasters' which was basically an engine you attached to your bike. He bought them to get extra petrol coupons at the time.
The DVLA tried to bail itself out initially by saying the logbooks were too old to claim. Then when that failed they wanted me to present the logbooks and vehicle in london (I live in kent). Then when they heard they were attached to cyclemasters they made up some guff about not being on an mot'able vehicle and therefore not viable. What made me laugh was some bod ringing about three weeks later and asking that despite them being not viable they would like to view the documents anyway and would I send them up to them.
I assume from the amount of panic from the DVLA's end w1, and w2 would have commanded quite a lot of money.
http://www.classic-wheels.co.uk/old_cyclemaster_po...
But in their day they had to have proper number plates
I didn't send them the log books. Old brown colour in three vertical folds as I remember, and gave them back to my father as keep sakes. He still has them as far as I know. As for the actual cyclemasters they long since were disposed of, my father had just kept the log books. In those days there was nothing to stop you transferring plates with or without a vehicle as long as you had the logbook ownership.
The good news is they died a good death as the reason he wanted them was to get petrol coupons for his aluminium bodied XK120 special which was a bit fuel thirsty as he described it
. ...?They were never issued at a DVLA auction.
Therefore, I assume they were either transferred or used again in the normal system.
Old log books had to be handed in some time in the 80s to claim numbers like that so all claims will have now been lost.
There was a well publicised deadline on transfering old green log books (with vehicle details all hand written) to the new V5's. It was ages ago, either late 70's or early 80's.
There was a grace period where you could still retain the plate from the old log book. After this had lapsed, anyone with an old style log book can usually get the number, but it'd be non-transferable.
If you want to transfer a number, you need an MOT. You can either do the work to get an MOT, get a dodgy MOT, or borrow someone elses car, change over the plates/chassis number, and get an MOT on that car with your details
There was a grace period where you could still retain the plate from the old log book. After this had lapsed, anyone with an old style log book can usually get the number, but it'd be non-transferable.
If you want to transfer a number, you need an MOT. You can either do the work to get an MOT, get a dodgy MOT, or borrow someone elses car, change over the plates/chassis number, and get an MOT on that car with your details
A thread from the dead I know ..
W2 is on a 2014 BMW but my question is if anyone knows:
A friend has a 1930’s car with a plate similar to YY33 (its slightly different, cant exactly remember as i type this but its 2 letters, two numbers)
He bought the car as a runner in late 60’s/early 70’s but it’s been off the road since the early 80’s. Its a rolling chasis and engine that no longer starts and barely a coachbuild body still attached.
I suspect throwing £40k at it might not restore it.
He is thinking about selling as spares and selling the plate. But I don't think he can?
What complicates it is he doesnt need road tax (its exempt) and it doesn't need an MOT (its exempt)
Thats the first question ...
Now if he was able to sell the plate he would he left with a car that might be restored in the future if not sold as spares. Would the buyer get a new plate from the DVLA if it were restored?
W2 is on a 2014 BMW but my question is if anyone knows:
A friend has a 1930’s car with a plate similar to YY33 (its slightly different, cant exactly remember as i type this but its 2 letters, two numbers)
He bought the car as a runner in late 60’s/early 70’s but it’s been off the road since the early 80’s. Its a rolling chasis and engine that no longer starts and barely a coachbuild body still attached.
I suspect throwing £40k at it might not restore it.
He is thinking about selling as spares and selling the plate. But I don't think he can?
What complicates it is he doesnt need road tax (its exempt) and it doesn't need an MOT (its exempt)
Thats the first question ...
Now if he was able to sell the plate he would he left with a car that might be restored in the future if not sold as spares. Would the buyer get a new plate from the DVLA if it were restored?
AndrewW-G said:
You get it MOT'd and Taxed, there doesnt seem to be a short cut to this and like many others in the past I've had to get a car to scrape through the MOT just to get the plate off it!
Thread resurrection!Edited by AndrewW-G on Tuesday 9th February 09:43
I've just spoken to DVLA as a friend is in a similar position. Car is taxed and insured but MOT ran out early April. It's a non-runner beyond economical repair so no chance of a fresh MOT cert.
All we need to do is SORN it, wait 5 days then do the transfer - or so the nice lady at DVLA said.
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