RE: Skoda Fabia vRS
Discussion
Mk5 Golf 2.0 TDI Sport - 1451kg
Skoda Fabia VRS - 1315kg
136kg difference or 21 stone.
Is it best to avoid parallel imports due to resale problems?
It is a UK spec import which was brought into UK from Cyprus by Motorpoint. The Golf's I've seen at dealers are at least £1500 more. Seen the same model Golf in private ads for £9.5k but that had 62k mileage, this one only has 29k.
Also, which is more likely to be stolen?
Skoda Fabia VRS - 1315kg
136kg difference or 21 stone.
Is it best to avoid parallel imports due to resale problems?
It is a UK spec import which was brought into UK from Cyprus by Motorpoint. The Golf's I've seen at dealers are at least £1500 more. Seen the same model Golf in private ads for £9.5k but that had 62k mileage, this one only has 29k.
Also, which is more likely to be stolen?
Edited by Gumpert on Wednesday 17th February 19:48
Pkh72 said:
Shropshiremike said:
Hub said:
It isn't anywhere near 7 seconds to 60 - mid 8's is more accurate. You need two gearchanges for starters, and first gear is useless. A 7 second car is modified!
I'm only reporting what Autocar timed their long-termer at with real timing gear. As I say, it surprised them but who knows whether it had a very good service on one drop-off at the dealer I'll dig it out later - it was certainly 7.something
Edited by Pkh72 on Wednesday 17th February 08:45
Done at Millbrook on a cold, still February day with freezing air. Also shows the difference between an average driver and a proper road tester as the long term keeper Rory Lumsdon couldn't get below the 8s. Adam Towler the Autocar road tester did the 7.2. Doesn't Adam Towler post on here? Perhaps he can confirm if it was a glitch with the V-box or a genuine time?
Autocar 12/10/04 issue by the way
Shropshiremike said:
Pkh72 said:
Shropshiremike said:
Hub said:
It isn't anywhere near 7 seconds to 60 - mid 8's is more accurate. You need two gearchanges for starters, and first gear is useless. A 7 second car is modified!
I'm only reporting what Autocar timed their long-termer at with real timing gear. As I say, it surprised them but who knows whether it had a very good service on one drop-off at the dealer I'll dig it out later - it was certainly 7.something
Edited by Pkh72 on Wednesday 17th February 08:45
Done at Millbrook on a cold, still February day with freezing air. Also shows the difference between an average driver and a proper road tester as the long term keeper Rory Lumsdon couldn't get below the 8s. Adam Towler the Autocar road tester did the 7.2. Doesn't Adam Towler post on here? Perhaps he can confirm if it was a glitch with the V-box or a genuine time?
Autocar 12/10/04 issue by the way
Even a clutch busting start wouldn't get ours to 60 in that time, not that i'd try it anyway.
Is Adam Towler the new EVO editor?
Pkh72 said:
It has to have been a tweaked Vrs to get a 7.2 i'm sure, cold air only does so much.
Even a clutch busting start wouldn't get ours to 60 in that time, not that i'd try it anyway.
Is Adam Towler the new EVO editor?
Like I say, if you read the article, Lumsden ( the long term tester of the car ) only managed a 9second time at first and then got down to low 8s.Even a clutch busting start wouldn't get ours to 60 in that time, not that i'd try it anyway.
Is Adam Towler the new EVO editor?
It was Adam Towler ( Autocar's chief road tester at the time ) that pulled the 7.2 out the car. He's on here so drop him a PM.
Also would you expect a tweaked car to be faster to 100 than 23.8 and 126 flat out or is that representative of a standard car?
I think there's a certain amount of 'pride' involved ( and a brutal technique ) in between road testers on different mags to extract the very best time from a car......at least that's what one told me
Probably the reason why they sometimes break cars every so often - witness the 911 Turbo Performance Car had ( snapped driveshaft ), the E46 M3 manual Monkey broke at Autocar beating the SMG car times.
I dare say a good road tester could beat your best time in your own car if you gave it him
Edited by Shropshiremike on Thursday 18th February 08:49
Edited by Shropshiremike on Thursday 18th February 08:52
The shorter ratios were introduced in 2004 and shortened the 0-60 time from 9.6 to 9.4 secs.
In reality they could all manage sub 9 secs stock.
Autocars 7.2 sec run was only achieved once. Quite probably by starting in 2nd and being very abusive.
Very much doubt it was mapped as 24 secs was par for the course 0-100. Given a 7.2 second 0-60, it then took a further 16.6 secs to reach 100, quite slow really. A remapped one could hit 100 in sub 20.
Straight line drags weren't where they impressed though, it was the hooligan like midrange.
They weren't really hot hatches in respect of they didn't have nimble handling or a revvy engine, and didn't really like being thrashed like a hot hatch - brake fade could be a problem even on the road and the puny smic struggled to cope with the heat standard let alone remapped.
Decent quickish cars for medium to long length commutes with the occasional hoon.
In reality they could all manage sub 9 secs stock.
Autocars 7.2 sec run was only achieved once. Quite probably by starting in 2nd and being very abusive.
Very much doubt it was mapped as 24 secs was par for the course 0-100. Given a 7.2 second 0-60, it then took a further 16.6 secs to reach 100, quite slow really. A remapped one could hit 100 in sub 20.
Straight line drags weren't where they impressed though, it was the hooligan like midrange.
They weren't really hot hatches in respect of they didn't have nimble handling or a revvy engine, and didn't really like being thrashed like a hot hatch - brake fade could be a problem even on the road and the puny smic struggled to cope with the heat standard let alone remapped.
Decent quickish cars for medium to long length commutes with the occasional hoon.
pbirkett said:
Autocars 7.2 sec run was only achieved once. Quite probably by starting in 2nd and being very abusive.
Spot on chap - the majority of people won't drive their car like a road tester figuring it. Just seems like he got an optimum launch on that occasion. IIRC they got the average consumption down to about 24mpg that day
A.G. said:
Not for one moment saying they are a rocket ship but I've an 03 Civic Type R in the garage as well and there certainly isn't 2 or 3 seconds difference. Skoda was no more than 2 car lengths behind by 60.
To be fair I didn't say they were slow, indeed, they aren't. For a car with a power to weight ratio of under 100 bhp per tonne, they are a lot faster than they have any right to be.pbirkett said:
A.G. said:
Not for one moment saying they are a rocket ship but I've an 03 Civic Type R in the garage as well and there certainly isn't 2 or 3 seconds difference. Skoda was no more than 2 car lengths behind by 60.
To be fair I didn't say they were slow, indeed, they aren't. For a car with a power to weight ratio of under 100 bhp per tonne, they are a lot faster than they have any right to be.Gassing Station | General Gassing [Archive] | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff