RE: Driven: Range Rover TDV8 4.4
Discussion
RRG said:
In reply to the gents who are concerned by LR reliability maybe they could take heart in this:
I've just driven my 2003, 80,000mile unmodified Td6 from London to Cape Town and the only thing that went wrong was the parking sensors, probably because they are full of grit/dust. That's right, all the way through Africa, 18,000miles and some of the worst roads you can imagine and bulletproof reliability. I know of no other vehicle that has made this journey with so few problems - and that includes Landcruisers!!
If you don't believe me, take a look at this:
http://web.me.com/raymondgreaves/LilongweDown/Trip...
These cars are incredible.
regards
RRG
Haha, legend! Must have been one hell of a trip I've just driven my 2003, 80,000mile unmodified Td6 from London to Cape Town and the only thing that went wrong was the parking sensors, probably because they are full of grit/dust. That's right, all the way through Africa, 18,000miles and some of the worst roads you can imagine and bulletproof reliability. I know of no other vehicle that has made this journey with so few problems - and that includes Landcruisers!!
If you don't believe me, take a look at this:
http://web.me.com/raymondgreaves/LilongweDown/Trip...
These cars are incredible.
regards
RRG
bob1179 said:
Range Rovers are awesome.
Anybody who disagrees is a left wing, lentil eating, communist lover of Gordon Brown.
There. I said it.
I can only agreeAnybody who disagrees is a left wing, lentil eating, communist lover of Gordon Brown.
There. I said it.
If I had a range rover it would go off road, I would treat it the same as my old 1956 landie, just travel in more style....If I'd spent 80k on one, i'd just cry every time I scratched it to buggery. Couple of hundred quid oldie I didn't care, just dig out the hammer and Dulux.
Have to say I am so pleased with this review. I am a big Rangie fan, I've driven an owned quite a few cars and some real exotics, but there is nothing, Conti Bentley included (hands up not driven or been in a Phantom yet), which makes me feel as good as driving around in a Range Rover.
This new engine sounds an absolute peach and it deserves to do well, I'm pleased PH liked it.
It is a shame they are so expensive but then, you still get the same great feeling with a £15k 02 plate you know! It may cost a bob or two to run, but it wont be £66ks worth of running costs! But if you have the quids you'll never regret it.
Anyway thumbs up for Landie, probably still is the only car you ever need, oops did I mention GT3 or GT-R, or... spose there be a flurry of comments re what you really need, might compile a list for me site one day!
Agree ref Stratstone mind, my first visits a few years back were good, now I get the shivers when I drive near the place!
C'mon Land Rover we want love! Do a Lotus, sack 'em and up the quality, I'll run it for you if your scared!
This new engine sounds an absolute peach and it deserves to do well, I'm pleased PH liked it.
It is a shame they are so expensive but then, you still get the same great feeling with a £15k 02 plate you know! It may cost a bob or two to run, but it wont be £66ks worth of running costs! But if you have the quids you'll never regret it.
Anyway thumbs up for Landie, probably still is the only car you ever need, oops did I mention GT3 or GT-R, or... spose there be a flurry of comments re what you really need, might compile a list for me site one day!
Agree ref Stratstone mind, my first visits a few years back were good, now I get the shivers when I drive near the place!
C'mon Land Rover we want love! Do a Lotus, sack 'em and up the quality, I'll run it for you if your scared!
Deva Link said:
Bobdenero said:
Why would you ruin a hard earned reputation by using Victoria Beckham in your publicity shots, you might as well use Stalin, Hitler or Heather McCartney !
If she doesn't do anything for you then you're not in the target demographic.It's no worse that Wayne Rooney being a Mercedes Ambassador!
PSA had nothing to do with the 3.6 litre V8 which was the starting point for this 4.4 engine.
The 3.6/4.4 are from the same architecture family as the 2.7/3.0 V6 which incidentally was brought to market completely in-house by Ford Europe (PSA are only a customer in the same vein as JLR)
The 2.7, 3.0 & 3.6 engines are built in the Ford engine plant at Dagenham.
And yes, the 4.4 was originally going to be installed in the F150 until senior Ford management changed their mind
And this 4.4 engine has nothing in common with the 6.7 V8
The 3.6/4.4 are from the same architecture family as the 2.7/3.0 V6 which incidentally was brought to market completely in-house by Ford Europe (PSA are only a customer in the same vein as JLR)
The 2.7, 3.0 & 3.6 engines are built in the Ford engine plant at Dagenham.
And yes, the 4.4 was originally going to be installed in the F150 until senior Ford management changed their mind
And this 4.4 engine has nothing in common with the 6.7 V8
Edited by g77 on Friday 9th July 22:21
RRG said:
In reply to the gents who are concerned by LR reliability maybe they could take heart in this:
I've just driven my 2003, 80,000mile unmodified Td6 from London to Cape Town and the only thing that went wrong was the parking sensors, probably because they are full of grit/dust. That's right, all the way through Africa, 18,000miles and some of the worst roads you can imagine and bulletproof reliability. I know of no other vehicle that has made this journey with so few problems - and that includes Landcruisers!!
If you don't believe me, take a look at this:
http://web.me.com/raymondgreaves/LilongweDown/Trip...
These cars are incredible.
regards
RRG
That Sir, is fantastic. Fair play to you.I've just driven my 2003, 80,000mile unmodified Td6 from London to Cape Town and the only thing that went wrong was the parking sensors, probably because they are full of grit/dust. That's right, all the way through Africa, 18,000miles and some of the worst roads you can imagine and bulletproof reliability. I know of no other vehicle that has made this journey with so few problems - and that includes Landcruisers!!
If you don't believe me, take a look at this:
http://web.me.com/raymondgreaves/LilongweDown/Trip...
These cars are incredible.
regards
RRG
I would love to try something like that.
I'm not impressed with the engine stats either, as a company car driver who I'd have thought would have been the second biggest market for new RRs after footballers the stats still do not cut it. The CO2 is still far too high, the car is still camped firmly in the 35% bracket, putting the Autobiography at about a grand a month net, another 50% on its lease price.
Fuel economy and performance stats are hardly something to write home about either when compared to cheaper rivals. Still I'm sure its a very nice engine to drive and matches the class leading off road performance and cabin/toys of the rest of the car. If they could just fix the cost of ownership they'd have the clear choice for this type of car, but as it stands there is just too much of a price differential for me.
Fuel economy and performance stats are hardly something to write home about either when compared to cheaper rivals. Still I'm sure its a very nice engine to drive and matches the class leading off road performance and cabin/toys of the rest of the car. If they could just fix the cost of ownership they'd have the clear choice for this type of car, but as it stands there is just too much of a price differential for me.
tankplanker said:
I'm not impressed with the engine stats either, as a company car driver who I'd have thought would have been the second biggest market for new RRs after footballers the stats still do not cut it. The CO2 is still far too high, the car is still camped firmly in the 35% bracket, putting the Autobiography at about a grand a month net, another 50% on its lease price.
Fuel economy and performance stats are hardly something to write home about either when compared to cheaper rivals. Still I'm sure its a very nice engine to drive and matches the class leading off road performance and cabin/toys of the rest of the car. If they could just fix the cost of ownership they'd have the clear choice for this type of car, but as it stands there is just too much of a price differential for me.
That's not land rovers fault. They have introduced an excellent modern engine that suits the task at hand which is strangled by idiotic legislation.Fuel economy and performance stats are hardly something to write home about either when compared to cheaper rivals. Still I'm sure its a very nice engine to drive and matches the class leading off road performance and cabin/toys of the rest of the car. If they could just fix the cost of ownership they'd have the clear choice for this type of car, but as it stands there is just too much of a price differential for me.
Write a letter to our overlords in government.
really fancy hauling a (nearly) 6000lb car around with a 2 litre diesel?
jbi said:
That's not land rovers fault. They have introduced an excellent modern engine that suits the task at hand which is strangled by idiotic legislation.
Write a letter to our overlords in government.
really fancy hauling a (nearly) 6000lb car around with a 2 litre diesel?
No I fancy hauling it around with either a 3l or bigger V6 Petrol with very similar or more power output but better economy and emissions. Or there is the 40d in the x5, again similar power output but better performance, economy and emissions. In the interest of fairness some of this is down to weight of the cars, the RR would benefit from a session at weight watchers but the engine has hardly class leading stats. Write a letter to our overlords in government.
really fancy hauling a (nearly) 6000lb car around with a 2 litre diesel?
I would completely ignore any claims that Land Rover make for so called improvements to fuel economy.
I have a new Discovery 4 and a new Range Rover 5 litre Autobiography, both cars are supposed to be way more efficient than
their predecessors but are actually far worse in the real world returning 3 or 4 miles to the gallon less than the 2008 models.
Also, if buying a new LR product, you need to be in an area with good dealers/service agents, West Suffolk is not a good place to be!
I have a new Discovery 4 and a new Range Rover 5 litre Autobiography, both cars are supposed to be way more efficient than
their predecessors but are actually far worse in the real world returning 3 or 4 miles to the gallon less than the 2008 models.
Also, if buying a new LR product, you need to be in an area with good dealers/service agents, West Suffolk is not a good place to be!
5potTurbo said:
Love Range Rovers
Dislike LR/RR dealer salesmen who think you don't have the time or can't be bothered to serve you
(I hope this only applies to Dorset, or LR/RR won't last long!)
Not entirely in your area. I had to walk up to the service desk and say 'Any chance of buying a car?' as there was nobody in the show room!Dislike LR/RR dealer salesmen who think you don't have the time or can't be bothered to serve you
(I hope this only applies to Dorset, or LR/RR won't last long!)
I think they were in a meeting.
Nick
West Mids.
Aeroresh said:
I think you'd have to be a hardened petrol lover to now choose the 5.0 supercharged version over this one, especially in this country.
Another lovely engine and one I'd kill to be able to run. Having said that as the company car tax would be about the same for the big diesel and the big petrol in the RR only difference in running cost comes down to fuel for a company car. If you are taking mileage the extra 5p a mile that the petrol earns from most companies over the diesel means that you can normally have substantially lower MPG in a petrol and still break even compared to a diesel, in this case 23mpg for the petrol would roughly give you the same amount of mileage money back from your company as the diesel.I should have clarifed early that I mean petrol hybrids rather than plain petrol, contrast the RR against the Porsche Cayenne Hybrid:0-60 in 6.5s, 34.4mpg, CO2 emissions of 193g/km and 388bhp. Shame the Cayenne is so ugly.
orbtar said:
I would completely ignore any claims that Land Rover make for so called improvements to fuel economy.
I have a new Discovery 4 and a new Range Rover 5 litre Autobiography, both cars are supposed to be way more efficient than
their predecessors but are actually far worse in the real world returning 3 or 4 miles to the gallon less than the 2008 models.
I can't believe that someone with a new Range Rover 5 litre Autobiography is commented anout MPG! I have a new Discovery 4 and a new Range Rover 5 litre Autobiography, both cars are supposed to be way more efficient than
their predecessors but are actually far worse in the real world returning 3 or 4 miles to the gallon less than the 2008 models.
orbtar said:
Also, if buying a new LR product, you need to be in an area with good dealers/service agents, West Suffolk is not a good place to be!
Yet you bought 2 new ones?rudecherub said:
Not so much complaining about more power / performance, just not excited about the meagre gains - like I say BMW looked at a 4.4 diesel but found the gearbox could not handle it some years ago... It seems rather than being the best by far the Range Rover is looking underpowered when compared to simple pick up trucks in the most important market.
Strange that since both all the big makers use basically the same gearboxes, perhaps some are designed and tested for more arduous conditions that other competitors dont engineer for?X5 40d may be lower on CO2, but its a jumped up 3.0d, the TDV8 is a lot less strained, and has 100more Nm as its now the 8sp ZF, so can pull higher/longer gears better too. Will waft along much more effortlessly, sounds a lot nicer and stacks up well against the competition
Cayenne hybrid - works on paper, great for tax, but thats all large SUV hybrids are for, you wont get the performance or the economy real world. Also you will probably struggle to buy one with <200g CO2, read the small print, almost all options will affect this.
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