RE: Pic of The Week: Sensational Senna

RE: Pic of The Week: Sensational Senna

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harry010

4,423 posts

186 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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duncanS said:
robsco said:
So who for you Duncan, out of curiosity, is your interpretation of the greatest?
I predict this to not go well...

nicky.mattsson

2,636 posts

199 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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harry010 said:
duncanS said:
robsco said:
So who for you Duncan, out of curiosity, is your interpretation of the greatest?
I predict this to not go well...
Why? They both have/had the same attitude. 1st place or nothing, ruthless style of driving. Only difference in Schumacher never directly told anyone he was going to ram them of unlike Senna did to Prost at Suzuka.

Dont get me wrong, Senna was an amazing driver and i love watching him race BUT Schumacher is better. Without question the best our lifetime will see.


robsco

7,822 posts

175 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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Didn't he rely on team orders instead, or was that just rumour?

footsoldier

2,251 posts

191 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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Schumacher would disagree with you...

As would most people who were involved in motorsport when Senna drove. His crash did not elevate his status, his crsh was such a shocking event because of his status. Schumcher was brilliant, but he never had the aura.

ferrisbueller

29,262 posts

226 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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andy343

3 posts

162 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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nicky.mattsson said:
harry010 said:
duncanS said:
robsco said:
So who for you Duncan, out of curiosity, is your interpretation of the greatest?
I predict this to not go well...
Why? They both have/had the same attitude. 1st place or nothing, ruthless style of driving. Only difference in Schumacher never directly told anyone he was going to ram them of unlike Senna did to Prost at Suzuka.

Dont get me wrong, Senna was an amazing driver and i love watching him race BUT Schumacher is better. Without question the best our lifetime will see.
BUT Schumacher is better. Without question the best our lifetime will see.
Lol, Please just reminder us where schumacher finished at Donington in 1993

Moley RUFC

3,609 posts

188 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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senninha2 said:
Moley RUFC said:
........I cannot wait to see this film. In my time the greatest I ever saw. Pure, pure speed and ultimate car control. I always think that he would have been a great rally driver because his car control was almost inpossibly good in any condition and where it counted, on the limit...........
WRC drivers are IMO the pinnacle of car control. Add the natural ability of Senna and the potential for a World Champion in multiple disciplines was very real. You might find this an interesting read if you've not seen it before ...

regards, Paul

http://www.racecar-engineering.com/allarticles/276...
great read, thanks

Moley RUFC

3,609 posts

188 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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I hold Schumacher very high on my list of great drivers. He and Senna are my 2 favourites. I am not really surprised at his lack of pace this year due to many factors, but perhaps more down to car changes. It is worth remembering towards the end if his time at Ferrari Massa was
slowly starting to catch up and in some cases out qualify him. To
Schumachers credit remember how
long it's taken Massa to adapt to the
cars and then remember how long
Schumi has been out of one.

Regards who is the greatest I find it hard in any sport to separate and identify. Those who say Maradona
was better than Pele, etc. I think you have to listen carefully to what the people around them, often competing at the same level like Brundle for Top Gear say about them, it's then you realise just how
good they were. Therefore when Hunt, Prost, Mansell, Schumacher,etc said Senna is the best they have seen then that tells you alot about the man.





Edited by Moley RUFC on Friday 3rd September 22:36


Edited by Moley RUFC on Friday 3rd September 22:37

footsoldier

2,251 posts

191 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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When Schumacher matched Senna's wins....

http://m.youtube.com/index?desktop_uri=%2F&gl=...



carinaman

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21,224 posts

171 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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Thank you for that link Moley_RUFC. Senna and Bulgin both gone. frown

Marcia

5,099 posts

189 months

Friday 3rd September 2010
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olly22n said:
My new wallpaper.

10/10
Now mine too,awesome biggrin

harry010

4,423 posts

186 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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nicky.mattsson said:
harry010 said:
duncanS said:
robsco said:
So who for you Duncan, out of curiosity, is your interpretation of the greatest?
I predict this to not go well...
Why? They both have/had the same attitude. 1st place or nothing, ruthless style of driving. Only difference in Schumacher never directly told anyone he was going to ram them of unlike Senna did to Prost at Suzuka.

Dont get me wrong, Senna was an amazing driver and i love watching him race BUT Schumacher is better. Without question the best our lifetime will see.
you are perfectly entitled to your opinion, and believe it or not I am actually a Schumacher fan, and have been for a long time. However, imho he suffers in comparison to Senna for several reasons, and these have nothing to do with Senna's death.

First, yes, on the surface they did have the same attitude, and it can not be denied that Senna's approach to racing paved the way for Schumacher; but Senna was at least, eventually, honest about his actions and the reasons behind them. Schumacher has never once to my knowledge admitted, sincerely, his wrongdoing for any of his indiscretions on the track.

Furthermore, Senna's personality was compelling in the extreme (I met him as a child and know someone that knew him very very well... and the way they speak of him... well... that's another story) and this, whilst not directly marking him apart from Schumacher, has some bearing on the argument, at least in my humble opinion. A driver is not great for one, two or three reasons, it's about the whole package, about on and off the track... and I'd rather listen to Senna reading the telephone directory than Schumacher talk about anything (although I concede he has started to open up in his dotage).

Lastly, you need to really understand how he is felt about by the people who matter most... his own countrymen. He is revered, idolised and most importantly held up as a beacon of hope in a country where, for many people, there is little else to cling to. Kids don't really want to BE him... the world of karting and motor racing is still, and always will be, far too far out of reach for them (it costs too much money), but he represents to this day an ideal of what can be achieved if you want it badly enough, if you work hard enough, and if you believe in yourself strongly enough. To them he stood alone against the world, with a flag, their flag, of green and gold, and made them see it was possible. If this sounds mawkish I apologise (or do I?)... but Schumacher could never, and will never, match this... maybe it's partly down to geography, that you don't need to be a beacon in a developed nation... but nevertheless I feel my point still stands.

Senna was, and always will be, more than a racing driver... and it is this, I feel, that marks him apart from all other drivers.

ram17

56 posts

168 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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Senna was, and always will be, more than a racing driver... and it is this, I feel, that marks him apart from all other drivers.
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Very well said harry and I for one could not agree more. Michael will be in the record books for quite a lot of achievements, you don't achieve 7 WDC's being a stty driver, but he's not a driver's driver. Ayrton was a driver's driver and so much more as harry has eloquently pointed out. R.I.P Ayrton driving SEE YA AT THE RACES!!!


ram17

56 posts

168 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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Thanks to all that included some of Ayrton's photo's, here are some from my small collection driving SEE YA AT THE RACES!!!

ram17

56 posts

168 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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ram17

56 posts

168 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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ram17

56 posts

168 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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Thanks for the memories Ayrton!!!



freedman

5,395 posts

206 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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Housey said:
To me it's simple.

He was and is the greatest figure in the history of our epic sport and to me the greatest driver too. The man was special and in a sport with a few special people he was to me without question the most special. Flawed of course, but I met him a couple of times and watched him race many many times and I still have tingles at the thought of it. Can't take those things away from a Petrolhead and I feel better for having witnessed his utter genius at work.

It's totally subjective, but for me no one comes close or ever will.


^^^This sums it up for me

Ollieb7

365 posts

197 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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Housey said:
Kimi better? You're a tt to think that, the end.

Correction to my previous post - make that 3 gullable people - although this one was after the event....! :-)

Edited by Ollieb7 on Saturday 4th September 08:53

Mazda Baiter

37,068 posts

187 months

Saturday 4th September 2010
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andy343 said:
nicky.mattsson said:
harry010 said:
duncanS said:
robsco said:
So who for you Duncan, out of curiosity, is your interpretation of the greatest?
I predict this to not go well...
Why? They both have/had the same attitude. 1st place or nothing, ruthless style of driving. Only difference in Schumacher never directly told anyone he was going to ram them of unlike Senna did to Prost at Suzuka.

Dont get me wrong, Senna was an amazing driver and i love watching him race BUT Schumacher is better. Without question the best our lifetime will see.
BUT Schumacher is better. Without question the best our lifetime will see.
Lol, Please just reminder us where schumacher finished at Donington in 1993
Just to play devil's advocate here (I am firmly in the Senna > Schumacher camp) Senna's McLaren has all the electrical gubbins on it in 1993. It was far better developed than Schumacher's Bennetton. In the wet, Schumacher didn't have a chance. He was racing in a different formula that day. The only cars in the same formula were the McLarens and the Williams Renaults. Have a look at the podium. wink