Jolyon Palmer - F1
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RobGT81 said:
Hopefully he will skip F1 and go straight to WEC.
That's the daftest thing I've seen about this topic, combined with mistaking arrogance for self-belief, which you've got to have if you're going to make it in any sport/profession.It seems that since Red Bull/Toro Rosso began promoting teenagers barely old enough for a road licence, some people think you're past it at 20.
Forget his background, Jolyon Palmer is quick, one of the best overtakers in the business, not an accident looking for somewhere to happen, in other words a safe pair of hands.
If he doesn't get a race seat in F1, I hope he doesn't do WEC, or IRL for that matter. In those circumstances I'd like to see him silence his critics by winning in Renault 3.5.
Anyway, we won't know until he tests in F1, hopefully during the end of season tests.
Jeanpierre said:
That's the daftest thing I've seen about this topic, combined with mistaking arrogance for self-belief, which you've got to have if you're going to make it in any sport/profession.
It seems that since Red Bull/Toro Rosso began promoting teenagers barely old enough for a road licence, some people think you're past it at 20.
Forget his background, Jolyon Palmer is quick, one of the best overtakers in the business, not an accident looking for somewhere to happen, in other words a safe pair of hands.
If he doesn't get a race seat in F1, I hope he doesn't do WEC, or IRL for that matter. In those circumstances I'd like to see him silence his critics by winning in Renault 3.5.
Anyway, we won't know until he tests in F1, hopefully during the end of season tests.
I understand what your point about self belief. Of course all the F1 drivers have it, but in the main, people don't mistake it for arrogance. If I and other people think he's arrogant its because that's the way he comes across, inadvertently or not. Whether he is or not therefore becomes irrelevant.It seems that since Red Bull/Toro Rosso began promoting teenagers barely old enough for a road licence, some people think you're past it at 20.
Forget his background, Jolyon Palmer is quick, one of the best overtakers in the business, not an accident looking for somewhere to happen, in other words a safe pair of hands.
If he doesn't get a race seat in F1, I hope he doesn't do WEC, or IRL for that matter. In those circumstances I'd like to see him silence his critics by winning in Renault 3.5.
Anyway, we won't know until he tests in F1, hopefully during the end of season tests.
Jeanpierre said:
RobGT81 said:
Hopefully he will skip F1 and go straight to WEC.
That's the daftest thing I've seen about this topic, combined with mistaking arrogance for self-belief, which you've got to have if you're going to make it in any sport/profession.It seems that since Red Bull/Toro Rosso began promoting teenagers barely old enough for a road licence, some people think you're past it at 20.
Forget his background, Jolyon Palmer is quick, one of the best overtakers in the business, not an accident looking for somewhere to happen, in other words a safe pair of hands.
If he doesn't get a race seat in F1, I hope he doesn't do WEC, or IRL for that matter. In those circumstances I'd like to see him silence his critics by winning in Renault 3.5.
Anyway, we won't know until he tests in F1, hopefully during the end of season tests.
new member.
Never posted before
Initials JP
Palmer is that you ?
And there was me trying to be subtle 
ETA: I mean on the other JP thread..
Jolyon has just been on the Sky F1 show, they asked him straight about him being in F1 next year
"How's it going?"
"Errrm, its going ok I think." and did his "I've proved I should be there on merit by winning GP2". Then said he expects to be on the F1 grid next year... hmmm.
Bit of a feature on him now.
ETA: I mean on the other JP thread..
Jolyon has just been on the Sky F1 show, they asked him straight about him being in F1 next year
"How's it going?"
"Errrm, its going ok I think." and did his "I've proved I should be there on merit by winning GP2". Then said he expects to be on the F1 grid next year... hmmm.
Bit of a feature on him now.
Edited by Crafty_ on Friday 17th October 20:44
Edited by Crafty_ on Friday 17th October 20:47
woof said:
Hang on for a second.
new member.
Never posted before
Initials JP
Palmer is that you ?
Er, no. My initials are not JP despite what you might think from my handle!new member.
Never posted before
Initials JP
Palmer is that you ?
I didn't realise this is the 'Let's knock the hell out of Jolyon Palmer, his father and, no doubt, his brother' forum, and will probably not bother posting again after this.
If Jonathan Palmer is wealthy it is by his own efforts, but I doubt he's in a position to simply open his wallet and buy his son a seat, unlike one or two other less deserving young drivers I can think of.
andygo said:
I understand what your point about self belief. Of course all the F1 drivers have it, but in the main, people don't mistake it for arrogance. If I and other people think he's arrogant its because that's the way he comes across, inadvertently or not. Whether he is or not therefore becomes irrelevant.
'Whether he is or not therefore becomes irrelevant'. Precisely! His driving does the talking. I actually think he comes across as someone who feels awkward speaking in public and possibly over-compensates?One of my class-mates at secondary school (1962-67) was Tony Brise. Now there was arrogance, brilliant driver though.
[quote=Jeanpierre]
'Whether he is or not therefore becomes irrelevant'. Precisely! His driving does the talking. I actually think he comes across as someone who feels awkward speaking in public and possibly over-compensates?
One of my class-mates at secondary school (1962-67) was Tony Brise. Now there was arrogance, brilliant driver though.[/quot
I think you have taken what I said out of context.
What I meant was that whether or not he just has total self belief or not was irrelevant as he still comes across as arrogant. Anyway, I'll just let you be his personal attitude apologist..
'Whether he is or not therefore becomes irrelevant'. Precisely! His driving does the talking. I actually think he comes across as someone who feels awkward speaking in public and possibly over-compensates?
One of my class-mates at secondary school (1962-67) was Tony Brise. Now there was arrogance, brilliant driver though.[/quot
I think you have taken what I said out of context.
What I meant was that whether or not he just has total self belief or not was irrelevant as he still comes across as arrogant. Anyway, I'll just let you be his personal attitude apologist..
I can't remember who was talking about GP2 the other day in the context of Palmer, but his observation was (without money) F1 team bosses are only impressed with the drivers who make a splash in GP2 in their first year, and why Valsecchi has, JP and Nasr but inference will struggle to get any kind of seat beyond bought test driver seats.
All these spec formulae are so dependent on which team you get. If you're on a young driver programme and the chosen team is s
te, you don't stand a chance. a number of quality drivers have had their reputations tainted as a result of (well connected) muppets running the teams they have been placed with.
I agree, though that to make a splash you need to do it in your first season. Pantano is a perfect example of that.
Which is why Palmer's chance would seem to rest solely with a pay driver role in a lower team in F1.
I think it's crossroads time for Vandoorne and possibly for Marciello too.
te, you don't stand a chance. a number of quality drivers have had their reputations tainted as a result of (well connected) muppets running the teams they have been placed with.I agree, though that to make a splash you need to do it in your first season. Pantano is a perfect example of that.
Which is why Palmer's chance would seem to rest solely with a pay driver role in a lower team in F1.
I think it's crossroads time for Vandoorne and possibly for Marciello too.
The problem for JP is surely that he looks like a good solid midfield driver. He is a I'd wager a better driver than some of current drivers in such cars. However all the midfield teams either have complete lineups or are looking for drivers that can bring significant money to the team, somewhat of a problem unless JP snr has found an oil well or two at the bottom of brands.
Vandoorne? not sure where he fits in to current F1 either he is connected to the McLaren driver programme so logically would be looking for a race seat there. However back in FR3.5 '13 KMag beat him to the title and hasn't looked out of place in F1 so he surely needs to find a seat elsewhere for '15 or '16 beyond that point I'd expect McLaren to have refocused on Nyck de Vries as the race seat candidate. Look at the stream of promising young drivers the Redbull programme has burnt through.
Vandoorne? not sure where he fits in to current F1 either he is connected to the McLaren driver programme so logically would be looking for a race seat there. However back in FR3.5 '13 KMag beat him to the title and hasn't looked out of place in F1 so he surely needs to find a seat elsewhere for '15 or '16 beyond that point I'd expect McLaren to have refocused on Nyck de Vries as the race seat candidate. Look at the stream of promising young drivers the Redbull programme has burnt through.
Jeanpierre said:
Nothing, if that's what a driver wants to do, but I don't think Palmer is ready to contemplate a category that isn't open-wheeled single-seater at present. For the same reason, I wouldn't want to see him disappear into DTM.
I think I said it before - depends on how deep his backers' pockets are and how ambitious they are. And it depends on whether Caterham soldier on next year and in what form. His chances of a midfield drive are very slim though - there are some very well funded players there already. On the subject of the lower placed teams, it occurs to me that with Stroll placing his son with Ferrari's academy, he might switch his attention to buying a Ferrari-powered team. That could put Marussia or Sauber in play unless he throws in his lot with that other Ferrari powered team - Haas.
Lincsblokey said:
Funny but as I don't follow bikes it's rather confusing! or is it meant to be? 
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