F1 on Channel 4

[r11co]

Eric Mc said:

r11co said:

Vaud said:

I have highlighted the existence of streaming, but no links.

Indeed, plus the illegality or otherwise of streaming is still very much uncertain.

So far any cases brought have been civil actions against licensed premises broadcasting streams without a commercial subscription. Not one prosecution has been brought against an individual viewing at home. You'd think even one case could be brought as an example to others to stop if the powers that be thought it was possible to prosecute and win.

All copyright infringements are covered in civil law rather than criminal law. It depends on a person's risk profile as to whether they want to give it a go or not. If they are trumpeting an activity that could be seen as encouragement to infringe a copyright on a particular website, it will be the website owners decision as to whether they wish to censure that individual or not - as it is the website that is being exposed to the risk.

Exactly, which is why mentioning that streaming is available is different from posting a list of links to streaming sites to PH. Vaud is 100% correct when he says he has not crossed a line.

[Eric Mc]

Recommending that someone rob a bank is only slightly less worse than providing a link to www.bankrobbers. com.

[Vaud]

Eric Mc said:

Recommending that someone rob a bank is only slightly less worse than providing a link to www.bankrobbers. com.

Poor analogy.

Is watching a "hooky" stream illegal in every country?

I'm not even sure it is in the uk (I know preloaded set top boxes are). I am pretty sure it isn't in every country.

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/streaming-l...

Streaming is treated differently by the EU (IIRC) than downloading and they ruled in 2014 that it wasn't illegal. If there is later guidance than I am interested.

[glazbagun]

Eric Mc said:

Recommending that someone rob a bank is only slightly less worse than providing a link to www.bankrobbers. com.

If you need more money,you should always rob a bank.

[Eric Mc]

glazbagun said:

If you need more money,you should always rob a bank.

Right, you're nicked.

[Mr Pointy]

Vaud said:

Eric Mc said:

Recommending that someone rob a bank is only slightly less worse than providing a link to www.bankrobbers. com.

Poor analogy.

Is watching a "hooky" stream illegal in every country?

I'm not even sure it is in the uk (I know preloaded set top boxes are). I am pretty sure it isn't in every country.

https://www.inbrief.co.uk/football-law/streaming-l...

Streaming is treated differently by the EU (IIRC) than downloading and they ruled in 2014 that it wasn't illegal. If there is later guidance than I am interested.

Yes, there has been an update & it has been confirmed (I belive by the ECJ) that WATCHING a illegal stream is also illegal. It was covered in another thread but I'm struggling to find it at the moment.

Edit: found it. Look at the second page:

https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/applicati...

Eric Mc said:

All copyright infringements are covered in civil law rather than criminal law. It depends on a person's risk profile as to whether they want to give it a go or not. If they are trumpeting an activity that could be seen as encouragement to infringe a copyright on a particular website, it will be the website owners decision as to whether they wish to censure that individual or not - as it is the website that is being exposed to the risk.

The sellers of pre-loaded Kodi boxes were subject to criminal, not civil prosecutions.

Edited by Mr Pointy on Friday 18th May 13:37

[Eric Mc]

That makes things worse then, doesn't it.

[Vaud]

Mr Pointy said:

Edit: found it. Look at the second page:

https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/applicati...

"The Court also finds that temporary acts of reproduction, on that multimedia player, of a
copyright protected work obtained by streaming on a website belonging to a third party
offering that work without the consent of the copyright holder, cannot be exempted from
the right of reproduction."

I though that was specific the multimedia player (the physical device) and not "any streaming software"

[Mr Pointy]

Vaud said:

Mr Pointy said:

Edit: found it. Look at the second page:

https://curia.europa.eu/jcms/upload/docs/applicati...

"The Court also finds that temporary acts of reproduction, on that multimedia player, of a
copyright protected work obtained by streaming on a website belonging to a third party
offering that work without the consent of the copyright holder, cannot be exempted from
the right of reproduction."

I though that was specific the multimedia player (the physical device) and not "any streaming software"

Hmm. I'm not a lawyer & on re-reading it the decision does seem to say that if you bought a pre-loaded Kodi box then your using it (to stream protected content) is also illegal because you knew that it contained add-ons that would allow this. I'd suggest that if you bought a box, downloaded Kodi & then installed an add-on which you knew provided access to copyrighted streams you'd be in the same position but I'll have to look further to see if I can find anything to confirm this.

Edit: Here you go, three analysis of the judgement that each come to the conclusion that it has made it an offence to view illegal streams:

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/6046/is-sh...
https://europeanlawblog.eu/2017/05/24/a-link-too-f...
https://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/filmspeler...

I'm struggling to find any with a contrary view.

Edited by Mr Pointy on Friday 18th May 18:17

[Vaud]

Mr Pointy said:

Hmm. I'm not a lawyer & on re-reading it the decision does seem to say that if you bought a pre-loaded Kodi box then your using it (to stream protected content) is also illegal because you knew that it contained add-ons that would allow this. I'd suggest that if you bought a box, downloaded Kodi & then installed an add-on which you knew provided access to copyrighted streams you'd be in the same position but I'll have to look further to see if I can find anything to confirm this.

Edit: Here you go, three analysis of the judgement that each come to the conclusion that it has made it an offence to view illegal streams:

https://law.stackexchange.com/questions/6046/is-sh...
https://europeanlawblog.eu/2017/05/24/a-link-too-f...
https://ipkitten.blogspot.co.uk/2017/04/filmspeler...

I'm struggling to find any with a contrary view.

Edited by Mr Pointy on Friday 18th May 18:17

Thanks. I will read...

[CoolHands]

fk me, Ben Edwards you absolutely SHOUTING

[rallycross]

CoolHands said:

fk me, Ben Edwards you absolutely SHOUTING

Ruins the show (its a fantastic show) with his stupid pants on fire shouting (usually about nothing), STFU Ben Edwards.

[MiniMan64]

Highlights only this week at half past bloody 11.

Stuff that!

[CoolHands]

rallycross said:

Ruins the show (its a fantastic show) with his stupid pants on fire shouting (usually about nothing), STFU Ben Edwards.

It’s was all fine until ricardo was just coming across the line to get pole then he started absolutely shouting AND ITS RICARDO THAT HAS TAKEN POLE WOULD YOU BELIEVE IT BLAH BLAH BLAH or whatever; it was just ridiculous.

[funkyrobot]

I've said it for a while now, I can't stand his shouty style. He nearly asphyxiates himself sometimes.

[markcoznottz]

It's what the producers want.

[ukaskew]

They always go big for the chequered flag or what is likely to be the end of the pole lap as it's almost always the only bit that makes it into mainstream news. I'd be fairly confident in saying they are required to do it.

[24lemons]

ukaskew said:

They always go big for the chequered flag or what is likely to be the end of the pole lap as it's almost always the only bit that makes it into mainstream news. I'd be fairly confident in saying they are required to do it.

Without a doubt. Even the dullest snoozefest will have the commentators shouting as the winner crosses the line a lap ahead of the competition as If it were the closest finish in history.

I’m not a fan of Edwards I’m afraid. Always sounds like he is trying too hard to build up false excitement and his interesting stats often seem shoehorned in and irrelevant.

[Eric Mc]

The poorer the show, the greater the hype.

11.30 pm was way too late for me last night. I think that's what we'll be up against in 2019.

[MiniMan64]

Eric Mc said:

The poorer the show, the greater the hype.

11.30 pm was way too late for me last night. I think that's what we'll be up against in 2019.

Currently trying to work out if I can get it on Sky. Now TV seems to be the cheapest way but apparently that doesn’t work on the telly