F1 on Channel 4
Discussion
Mr Pointy said:
nickwilcock said:
I thought that the C4 graphics, the plethora of adverts and the overall editing ruined the coverage. Too many replays of pit incidents, disjointed coverage of the race interrupted by yet more adverts....
But I won't be paying to watch it on Sky. My primary platform used to be Sky on satellite and that's what I still have (non HD), whereas my primary platform is now Freeview. Sky is now very poor value for money for 'legacy' customers and it's only because I couldn't stomach the faff involved in changing to something else that I still pay for it. But emphatically NOT for F1!
I think the Whisper Films producers now have so little material to work with that they are desperately struggling to fill the time. Given the constraints Sky have imposed on Whisper I can't see they will be able to get anywhere near the quality of programming they produced last year, which is a shame as I think they did F1 much better than Sky did.But I won't be paying to watch it on Sky. My primary platform used to be Sky on satellite and that's what I still have (non HD), whereas my primary platform is now Freeview. Sky is now very poor value for money for 'legacy' customers and it's only because I couldn't stomach the faff involved in changing to something else that I still pay for it. But emphatically NOT for F1!
I hate Sky for ruining FTA coverage of F1 & I'm never going to pay the Sky tax.
I think last years coverage was perfect and agree this year is going to be a bit light at times with the actual racing coverage. Also, they did seem to be standing around in a field - a bit like a festival when you're stood just outside the beer tent. So it was a bit weird they couldn't be in the pits and grid walk etc. Sky have really done a number on them. I would never in a million years pay for sky though so f
k them and F1 for spoiling ordinary peoples access to high quality coverage.
k them and F1 for spoiling ordinary peoples access to high quality coverage.REALIST123 said:
Mr Pointy said:
nickwilcock said:
I thought that the C4 graphics, the plethora of adverts and the overall editing ruined the coverage. Too many replays of pit incidents, disjointed coverage of the race interrupted by yet more adverts....
But I won't be paying to watch it on Sky. My primary platform used to be Sky on satellite and that's what I still have (non HD), whereas my primary platform is now Freeview. Sky is now very poor value for money for 'legacy' customers and it's only because I couldn't stomach the faff involved in changing to something else that I still pay for it. But emphatically NOT for F1!
I think the Whisper Films producers now have so little material to work with that they are desperately struggling to fill the time. Given the constraints Sky have imposed on Whisper I can't see they will be able to get anywhere near the quality of programming they produced last year, which is a shame as I think they did F1 much better than Sky did.But I won't be paying to watch it on Sky. My primary platform used to be Sky on satellite and that's what I still have (non HD), whereas my primary platform is now Freeview. Sky is now very poor value for money for 'legacy' customers and it's only because I couldn't stomach the faff involved in changing to something else that I still pay for it. But emphatically NOT for F1!
I hate Sky for ruining FTA coverage of F1 & I'm never going to pay the Sky tax.
Sky f
ked them over because they know the C4 coverage last year was so good it embarassed the Sky team. nickwilcock said:
I thought that the C4 graphics, the plethora of adverts and the overall editing ruined the coverage. Too many replays of pit incidents, disjointed coverage of the race interrupted by yet more adverts....
But I won't be paying to watch it on Sky. My primary platform used to be Sky on satellite and that's what I still have (non HD), whereas my primary platform is now Freeview. Sky is now very poor value for money for 'legacy' customers and it's only because I couldn't stomach the faff involved in changing to something else that I still pay for it. But emphatically NOT for F1!
Drop Legacy HD, take Entertainment, get F1 in HD for £10? Total cost likely around £25-£30 which is likely what you're paying now?But I won't be paying to watch it on Sky. My primary platform used to be Sky on satellite and that's what I still have (non HD), whereas my primary platform is now Freeview. Sky is now very poor value for money for 'legacy' customers and it's only because I couldn't stomach the faff involved in changing to something else that I still pay for it. But emphatically NOT for F1!
Condi said:
REALIST123 said:
Is it Sky’s fault? Who agreed the contract with them?
Is there even a requirement for Sky to show any highlights on terrestrial TV? It might have been a case of 'this is what you're getting, take it or leave it'. The "coming up next" outro stings into the ad breaks are pretty lame, but otherwise the coverage worked OK tbh - although going on throughout the season i think the lack of real time driver access be it in the pit lane / grid / interviews, etc, will get a bit annoying 
It was agreed, way back when Sky first signed the deal with Bernie, that FOM wanted to maintain a free to air presence in the form of a highlights package - much like you get with Moto GP, etc. It was the same agreement that meant the British GP had to be kept on terrestrial and couldn't be hidden exclusively behind a paywall.
The original option was that Sky would produce the package and it would be broadcast on one of their own free to air channels like Pick TV later on the same day of qualifying / the race. The other option would have been for them to produce a condensed highlights package which would then be sold to be broadcast on a rival free to air provider like you get with the Moto GP, WRC, various football as part of their deals on broadcasters like BT, Discovery, etc.
For all intents & purposes i would say the main reason Sky allowed C4 to retain their own highlights package (albeit significantly reduced) was that as part of the deal to keep the highlights, Sky / Sky customers now have exclusive access to C4's entire boxset of current & backcatalogue shows, for on demand / catchup. Previously they didn't as it was only available on C4's own All4 service.
Condi said:
REALIST123 said:
Is it Sky’s fault? Who agreed the contract with them?
Is there even a requirement for Sky to show any highlights on terrestrial TV? It might have been a case of 'this is what you're getting, take it or leave it'. The original option was that Sky would produce the package and it would be broadcast on one of their own free to air channels like Pick TV later on the same day of qualifying / the race. The other option would have been for them to produce a condensed highlights package which would then be sold to be broadcast on a rival free to air provider like you get with the Moto GP, WRC, various football as part of their deals on broadcasters like BT, Discovery, etc.
For all intents & purposes i would say the main reason Sky allowed C4 to retain their own highlights package (albeit significantly reduced) was that as part of the deal to keep the highlights, Sky / Sky customers now have exclusive access to C4's entire boxset of current & backcatalogue shows, for on demand / catchup. Previously they didn't as it was only available on C4's own All4 service.
Edited by AlexRS2782 on Monday 18th March 00:25
Yep the contract is apparently that highlights must be on a channel with 90% technical availability in the UK, which in English means Freeview. Sadly I guess the F1 powers that be didn't think beyond stipulating any more than that, which has allowed Sky to force ultra restrictive rules on the contract. I'm surprised C4 bothered to be honest, and I'd be surprised if they did beyond this season as it must be an incredibly expensive couple of hours of TV to produce.
MissChief said:
Drop Legacy HD, take Entertainment, get F1 in HD for £10? Total cost likely around £25-£30 which is likely what you're paying now?
Nope - to heck with that! Sky's greed and the way they've destroyed Ch4's coverage will NEVER persuade me to pay them anything to watch F1.REALIST123 said:
Is it Sky’s fault? Who agreed the contract with them?
As much as I like the Beeb but thanks Auntie for fking up FTA F1 coverage. I don't think we would be in this mess had the Beeb shared coverage with Ch4 in the first place instead of turning to Sky.Yesterday felt like going back 25/30years. I don't bother watching pre-race guff these days as grid walk is enough for me. Post race analysis was pretty weak as it only focused on the top 3. And how desperate do you have to retain viewership to hint what is to come after the ad-breaks?
Evercross said:
You will need to move the dish to point to 19 degrees east (the old Sky analogue position). As for the box, any old receiver will do.
Instead of moving the dish you can just add another LNB next to the existing one (perhaps using duct tape 
)Few threads around about it:
https://forums.digitalspy.com/discussion/1510340/w...
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