Lewis Hamilton
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InductionRoar said:
LDN said:
All jokes aside; Max is the only other driver I'm as excited about... and Hamilton-esque in his fearlessness and sheer driving nous. I'm a Ricciardo fan; but Max has that last nth'.
Max is the most exciting driver on the grid. Lewis is an exciting racer but does not often get chance to show his race-craft as he is out at the front leading (often from pole).
Is that a fair résumé?
hairyben said:
InductionRoar said:
48Valves said:
One of the things that really supprised me at Silverstone last week was by just how many the people wearing Mercedes/Hamilton merchandise outnumbered not just the next popular team/driver, but all of the others combined.
Hardly surprising though is it? I personally don't see it as indicative of anything other than the sheep-like nature of the average British person. The British just love to be a part of something but often lack the requisite imagination and look to popular culture/social media for confirmation/acceptance.The same tribal dedication will be on show at Monza, however, they support Ferrari and their number 1 driver regardless of whether they are at the back of the grid or at the front. I doubt the British would show the same level of patriotism had their team or driver underperformed for 6 years - there have been numerous examples which prove this.
Hungrymc said:
Where can I find more of your narrative (or patronising and inaccurate b
ks) on British society? Could you do a paragraph on how the British love to build someone up and then rip them down please so we can flip between the two cliches depending on which load of nonsense needs to be pedalled at any given time?
I don't normally do requests, but seeing as you asked so nicely.ks) on British society? Could you do a paragraph on how the British love to build someone up and then rip them down please so we can flip between the two cliches depending on which load of nonsense needs to be pedalled at any given time?Anthony Joshua is successful, dominant and British. The British quite rightly love him, although is that because he is British? I have yet to see him being ripped apart, maybe that will come when he operates at the level of dominance that Hamilton has enjoyed or maybe when he becomes a party-going celebrity. Who knows?
The British like to see the British do well because they can share in their glory and feel part of the win. Hamilton himself knows this and plays to it with such b
ks (as you so eloquently put it) as "the home fans gave me 2/10ths" or whatever rubbish he spouts every year. The British don't, however, like to see the British succeed at such a dominant level as it reflects badly on their own lack of achievements. It is a balancing act keeping the somewhat fickle British public happy. You need to succeed, but you can't be too good.
Patronising enough?
InductionRoar said:
Hungrymc said:
Where can I find more of your narrative (or patronising and inaccurate bks) on British society? Could you do a paragraph on how the British love to build someone up and then rip them down please so we can flip between the two cliches depending on which load of nonsense needs to be pedalled at any given time?
I don't normally do requests, but seeing as you asked so nicely.ks) on British society? Could you do a paragraph on how the British love to build someone up and then rip them down please so we can flip between the two cliches depending on which load of nonsense needs to be pedalled at any given time?Anthony Joshua is successful, dominant and British. The British quite rightly love him, although is that because he is British? I have yet to see him being ripped apart, maybe that will come when he operates at the level of dominance that Hamilton has enjoyed or maybe when he becomes a party-going celebrity. Who knows?
The British like to see the British do well because they can share in their glory and feel part of the win. Hamilton himself knows this and plays to it with such b
ks (as you so eloquently put it) as "the home fans gave me 2/10ths" or whatever rubbish he spouts every year. The British don't, however, like to see the British succeed at such a dominant level as it reflects badly on their own lack of achievements. It is a balancing act keeping the somewhat fickle British public happy. You need to succeed, but you can't be too good.
Patronising enough?
ks about it, except perhaps trying to put an actual figure on the benefit itself...Sylvaforever said:
what a rookie year... having the car is one thing... having the balls and skills is something else. LDN said:
Hamilton isn't the only driver to say they benefit from the home crowd: he's not the only sportsman to say that either... so not sure what's bks about it, except perhaps trying to put an actual figure on the benefit itself...
Pretty sure I've heard others ascribe a value to the hometown crowd advantage in a similar way - mansell or button perhaps? maybe both it's certainally not a new line.ks about it, except perhaps trying to put an actual figure on the benefit itself...Not that logic and facts makes much impact on such a sad little crusade.
InductionRoar said:
LDN said:
Hamilton's not had any exciting drives and only drives from pole into the distance... 
I think we're done here.
Perhaps have a read of this - and then come back onto this thread, having done your homework:
https://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/t...
So you concede my other points have a thread of truth to them then? I think we're done here.Perhaps have a read of this - and then come back onto this thread, having done your homework:
https://willthef1journo.wordpress.com/2014/11/19/t...
Where did I say he has never had any exciting races? I said that I rate Alonso, Verstappen and Ricciardo higher on the excitement scale.
Hamilton has lead an awful lot of GPs from pole, which is not exciting to the "armchair fan". You seem to be more interested in his statistics than me so I bow to your superior knowledge.
By the way I am only commenting on his F1 career. I am not interested enough to start dissecting his karting or GP2 careers to support a tenuous statistical campaign.
paulguitar said:
For all of us that followed Lewis since Cadet Karts, there are probably an equal amount of people who do not even KNOW he did Cadet Karts..........
You misunderstand. If you follow him and are British you are a typical British sheep. If you dislike him and are British, you a typically fickle Brit.If you are Italian and follow Ferrari, than you are an Italian sheep but at least you're not fickle.
It sounds as if the only way to be well regarded, is to follow someone unpopular, crap and ideally a different nationality.
Hungrymc said:
paulguitar said:
For all of us that followed Lewis since Cadet Karts, there are probably an equal amount of people who do not even KNOW he did Cadet Karts..........
You misunderstand. If you follow him and are British you are a typical British sheep. If you dislike him and are British, you a typically fickle Brit.If you are Italian and follow Ferrari, than you are an Italian sheep but at least you're not fickle.
It sounds as if the only way to be well regarded, is to follow someone unpopular, crap and ideally a different nationality.
love this post!Don't worry folks, InductionRoar appears to be climbing down.
I mean 'what has Hamilton done since 2008 to gain popularity?'
Sincerely,
Fickle Brit
Edited by HustleRussell on Saturday 22 July 18:46
hairyben said:
InductionRoar said:
48Valves said:
One of the things that really supprised me at Silverstone last week was by just how many the people wearing Mercedes/Hamilton merchandise outnumbered not just the next popular team/driver, but all of the others combined.
Hardly surprising though is it? I personally don't see it as indicative of anything other than the sheep-like nature of the average British person. The British just love to be a part of something but often lack the requisite imagination and look to popular culture/social media for confirmation/acceptance.The same tribal dedication will be on show at Monza, however, they support Ferrari and their number 1 driver regardless of whether they are at the back of the grid or at the front. I doubt the British would show the same level of patriotism had their team or driver underperformed for 6 years - there have been numerous examples which prove this.
He has the same effect as Tiger, Federer, O'Sullivan, Tyson etc. People watch just to see the brightest stars.
Hungrymc said:
paulguitar said:
For all of us that followed Lewis since Cadet Karts, there are probably an equal amount of people who do not even KNOW he did Cadet Karts..........
You misunderstand. If you follow him and are British you are a typical British sheep. If you dislike him and are British, you a typically fickle Brit.If you are Italian and follow Ferrari, than you are an Italian sheep but at least you're not fickle.
It sounds as if the only way to be well regarded, is to follow someone unpopular, crap and ideally a different nationality.
williamp said:
My 6 year old follows perez and force india. No idea why, but its nice he follows a driver, rather then the winner. I support hamilton, but then I have done since i saw him in FRenault at brands when he was very quick, and was already "a name", and known as one to watch.
Likes pink! 
48Valves said:
hairyben said:
InductionRoar said:
48Valves said:
One of the things that really supprised me at Silverstone last week was by just how many the people wearing Mercedes/Hamilton merchandise outnumbered not just the next popular team/driver, but all of the others combined.
Hardly surprising though is it? I personally don't see it as indicative of anything other than the sheep-like nature of the average British person. The British just love to be a part of something but often lack the requisite imagination and look to popular culture/social media for confirmation/acceptance.The same tribal dedication will be on show at Monza, however, they support Ferrari and their number 1 driver regardless of whether they are at the back of the grid or at the front. I doubt the British would show the same level of patriotism had their team or driver underperformed for 6 years - there have been numerous examples which prove this.
REALIST123 said:
48Valves said:
hairyben said:
InductionRoar said:
48Valves said:
One of the things that really supprised me at Silverstone last week was by just how many the people wearing Mercedes/Hamilton merchandise outnumbered not just the next popular team/driver, but all of the others combined.
Hardly surprising though is it? I personally don't see it as indicative of anything other than the sheep-like nature of the average British person. The British just love to be a part of something but often lack the requisite imagination and look to popular culture/social media for confirmation/acceptance.The same tribal dedication will be on show at Monza, however, they support Ferrari and their number 1 driver regardless of whether they are at the back of the grid or at the front. I doubt the British would show the same level of patriotism had their team or driver underperformed for 6 years - there have been numerous examples which prove this.
HustleRussell said:
Hungrymc said:
paulguitar said:
For all of us that followed Lewis since Cadet Karts, there are probably an equal amount of people who do not even KNOW he did Cadet Karts..........
You misunderstand. If you follow him and are British you are a typical British sheep. If you dislike him and are British, you a typically fickle Brit.If you are Italian and follow Ferrari, than you are an Italian sheep but at least you're not fickle.
It sounds as if the only way to be well regarded, is to follow someone unpopular, crap and ideally a different nationality.
love this post!Don't worry folks, InductionRoar appears to be climbing down.
I mean 'what has Hamilton done since 2008 to gain popularity?'
Sincerely,
Fickle Brit
Edited by HustleRussell on Saturday 22 July 18:46
What has Lewis achieved since 2008? He has won two WDCs in three years whilst driving the best car on the grid against (according to PH) an "undeserving champion", however, as Meat Loaf says "Two out of three ain't bad".
Lewis fans are the easiest to wind up. They seem so keen to defend their hero that they don't see the bigger picture. Often, in motorsport, an inferior driver in superior machinery will beat a superior driver in inferior equipment, that is why it is called motorsport, because the motor is the important factor.
Keep on supporting Lewis though. It gains him an extra 2/10ths at Silverstone. It is not the aerodynamicists or the engine builders it is you don't forget that.
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