Lewis Hamilton

[InductionRoar]

HustleRussell said:

InductionRoar said:

HustleRussell said:

There you go again, leaping to conclusions, trying to pidgeonhole people based on your own creative interpretation of their short posts... you frankly aren't worth bothering with. You even missed my not-so-subtle hint about my own views on Hamilton. I just think it's laughable that you could fail to acknowledge that Hamilton's growth in popularity might be at least partly due to his success on track- recently equalling long standing career pole records etc. Hamilton is also instrumental in F1's push into the Americas. Like him or not, he is doing great things for the sport, as Bernie, Carey etc will attest.

What conclusions have I made? How have I pigeonholed you? I must be ever so slightly worth bothering with, given that you have responded to my "laughable" posts.

I'm not sure I have failed to acknowledge that Hamilton's rise in popularity is due, in part, to his success on track? I clearly said that the British love to support a proven commodity, how does that support your statement? I really do wish people would read posts before completely missing the point and then calling people out on them.

InductionRoar said:

Hardly surprising though is it? I personally don't see it as indicative of anything other than the sheep-like nature of the average British person. The British just love to be a part of something but often lack the requisite imagination and look to popular culture/social media for confirmation/acceptance.

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InductionRoar said:

Like I say, I haven't directed a single negative comment towards Lewis, unless you class not being given the opportunity to provide such exciting drives as others as negative. I was merely picking up on the fact that there are more Lewis fans now than in previous years and surmising why that may be. I think it is down to his success and celebrity, which is where the sheep comment came from but I think you knew that. He does seem to appeal to both racing fans and the x-factor generation. I think he attracts the same number of racing fans as he did in 2007 but has a completely different and additional fan base as a result of his Instagram lifestyle, which is clearly good for the sport financially.

Thank you for taking the time to quote my post which appears to neither support nor oppose anything under discussion.

Not sure which point you are attempting to address, as I find your prose to be somewhat limited. I have assumed it to be the fact you suggest I have not accredited Lewis' popularity with his success nor accepted that this is good for the sport.

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[HustleRussell]

Yes exactly, you later climbed down- a phrase I'm surprised you haven't come across before.

[HustleRussell]

my prose is limited

[InductionRoar]

HustleRussell said:

Yes exactly, you later climbed down- a phrase I'm surprised you haven't come across before.

The post I just quoted was made after you said I had "climbed down", so which post were you referring to before? It appears I have climbed down twice, yet I don't recall once, or indeed being in a position requiring such a change of position.

I have most certainly heard the phrase before. Doesn't make it any less oxymoronic though.

[HighwayStar]

LDN said:

InductionRoar said:

LDN said:

Mercedes themselves obviously don't think that...

I'm not sure Maldonado would actually have been wdc in the car; such is his crap driving. But yes, when the Merc was dominant, the Red Bull, the McLaren, the Ferrari, etc... then there have been multiple cases of machine dominance where other drivers could have won in said machinery. But F1 is more complex than that; the team needs consistency; it needs feedback and it needs adaptability. Again; Hamilton is supreme on all fronts... and so whilst other drivers might have won races and ultimately the crown; in any of the dominant era cars; it may have been tougher going and more nail biting for the teams in question.

Why is is that even when Hamilton didn't win the WDC, he was still the team principals pick? Why, in equal machinery, did Hamilton do so well. Your points are made to undermine his sheer brilliance in a car; and it's as bad as rabid fanboyism; is of a similar ilk but you don't see that... to the point you accuse the whole British public as being 'sheep' - and when it's spelt out to you how ridiculous that is; you seem to skulk off. You should relax and simply revel in the level of skill we have on the grid today; never has their been so much talent, Hamilton included of course.

I agree with everything you say.

It seems it's his lifestyle that get most people's goat... and whilst it's not my cup of tea; I'm able to completely ignore it and just watch the on-track action. I'm still unsure why so many people get upset / wound up / angry / unnerved / etc, by what Hamilton does off track. I find it genuinely bizarre! Not including you in that; just a general observation... because it can't be his driving ability that they don't like.

Long may Hamilton stay in F1; And long may the new kids on the block keep pushing things forward.

I've never understood why people get so upset by Lewis's life style. Is he flash or merely sharing what he does, where he goes and his experiences? I don't know and I'm not going to attempt to explain it by stating why he does it or what he thinks because I don't know what's in his mind like others clearly do
I don't care what he does away from the track, Mercedes clearly don't either. I do think it's a good thing that he is open though.
If I were to have and opinion on his lifestyle I'm guessing it's takes him well away from the pressures of F1 in the same way that Vettel leads a quiet life away from the track.
If Lewis spent his time in Colorado, living simple life of calm and meditation I suspect his detractors would still find negativity in that too.
So, those of you have a problem with his lifestyle... let's have a discussion about it. Why? What is your problem with it?

[48Valves]

HighwayStar said:

LDN said:

InductionRoar said:

LDN said:

Mercedes themselves obviously don't think that...

I'm not sure Maldonado would actually have been wdc in the car; such is his crap driving. But yes, when the Merc was dominant, the Red Bull, the McLaren, the Ferrari, etc... then there have been multiple cases of machine dominance where other drivers could have won in said machinery. But F1 is more complex than that; the team needs consistency; it needs feedback and it needs adaptability. Again; Hamilton is supreme on all fronts... and so whilst other drivers might have won races and ultimately the crown; in any of the dominant era cars; it may have been tougher going and more nail biting for the teams in question.

Why is is that even when Hamilton didn't win the WDC, he was still the team principals pick? Why, in equal machinery, did Hamilton do so well. Your points are made to undermine his sheer brilliance in a car; and it's as bad as rabid fanboyism; is of a similar ilk but you don't see that... to the point you accuse the whole British public as being 'sheep' - and when it's spelt out to you how ridiculous that is; you seem to skulk off. You should relax and simply revel in the level of skill we have on the grid today; never has their been so much talent, Hamilton included of course.

I agree with everything you say.

It seems it's his lifestyle that get most people's goat... and whilst it's not my cup of tea; I'm able to completely ignore it and just watch the on-track action. I'm still unsure why so many people get upset / wound up / angry / unnerved / etc, by what Hamilton does off track. I find it genuinely bizarre! Not including you in that; just a general observation... because it can't be his driving ability that they don't like.

Long may Hamilton stay in F1; And long may the new kids on the block keep pushing things forward.

I've never understood why people get so upset by Lewis's life style. Is he flash or merely sharing what he does, where he goes and his experiences? I don't know and I'm not going to attempt to explain it by stating why he does it or what he thinks because I don't know what's in his mind like others clearly do
I don't care what he does away from the track, Mercedes clearly don't either. I do think it's a good thing that he is open though.
If I were to have and opinion on his lifestyle I'm guessing it's takes him well away from the pressures of F1 in the same way that Vettel leads a quiet life away from the track.
If Lewis spent his time in Colorado, living simple life of calm and meditation I suspect his detractors would still find negativity in that too.
So, those of you have a problem with his lifestyle... let's have a discussion about it. Why? What is your problem with it?

If he was white and spent his time partying with rock stars as apposed to being black and hanging out with rappers, those on here who find fault with his lifestyle would worship him like James Hunt.

[swisstoni]

Good question.
If I don't like someone I tend not to haunt threads about them.
In fact I don't waste my time on them at all.

[HustleRussell]

He demonstrates a level of narcissism normally reserved for teenagers and in general comes off as a bit of an attention we. No big deal, he's among the very best on track. Personally I don't find him particularly relatable, I'm not into the same things he's into (other than motor racing) and I won't be buying his CD or his fashion line in years to come. However I'm glad he has an audience as he is F1s best hope of reaching a younger and more international fan base.

[HustleRussell]

I forgot to add, Hamilton through his twitter account etc makes himself very accessible to his fans which is commendable, and always speaks to the public via the press very openly and sincerely.

[HighwayStar]

swisstoni said:

Good question.
If I don't like someone I tend not to haunt threads about them.
In fact I don't waste my time on them at all.

I'm the same with people i don't like... all that wasted energy....
I'm always curious about what makes people tick, why they think what think etc...

[Sa Calobra]

swisstoni said:

Good question.
If I don't like someone I tend not to haunt threads about them.
In fact I don't waste my time on them at all.

Okay.....

[Hungrymc]

InductionRoar said:

I can only assume that this post is a joke.

You asked me to provide the contradictory cliché Mr. Hungry, it wasn't actually my real opinion. Only on PH could somebody take issue with your post, ask you to provide a paragraph contradicting it and then say that you are contradicting yourself. Maybe some emojis would help you understand my intended tone in future?

Your post also seems to suggest that Lewis' fans are all British whereas, I thought we had established that he was the worldwide favourite.

I think it was too subtle. The national stereotypes and cliches are a somewhat desperate. And, the ones you happen not to support are as poor as those that you spread. It's good to hear that you understand the motives of people who follow Lewis better than they do themselves. That really is a hell of postition to take.

I'm not suggesting anything about Lewis's followers. I was reflecting your "average British sheep" and "at least Italians aren't fickle" posts.

[HighwayStar]

HustleRussell said:

He demonstrates a level of narcissism normally reserved for teenagers and in general comes off as a bit of an attention we. No big deal, he's among the very best on track. Personally I don't find him particularly relatable, I'm not into the same things he's into (other than motor racing) and I won't be buying his CD or his fashion line in years to come. However I'm glad he has an audience as he is F1s best hope of reaching a younger and more international fan base.

This narcissism you mention I don't see...
I see Vettel, single minded (the RedBull period) popping a vien when Webber didn't stick to his Vettel's biatch role, swerving team orders... and of course winning from pole having driven off into the distance in the best car.
Then we have the foxtrot oscar Charlie moment.. can you imagine if Lewis had done that!!? Or wheel banging in Baku! All of that doesn't seem to matter. It was all about Seb and him believing everyone else is wrong.
Young Max, brilliant driver and a breath of fresh air but... he gets it wrong, a few 'ambitions' moves that didn't end well but nope... no grief for him either.
Lewis isn't perfect either, far from it. Yeah, he can be moody. He doesn't like to lose. Who does? He wears he heart on his sleeve. I like to see that. See the person...
We have Kimi who basically mumbles and says nothing but he's loved and is seen as a fantastic guy... again, if Lewis mumbled his way through interviews, basically said nothing... I'd imagine he'd be crucified.
I've got not problem with Seb, Max, Kimi... they are what they are... I'm not perfect. I'm sure some of you PHers are though. You must be
I just watch the racing

[LDN]

HighwayStar said:

This narcissism you mention I don't see...
I see Vettel, single minded (the RedBull period) popping a vien when Webber didn't stick to his Vettel's biatch role, swerving team orders... and of course winning from pole having driven off into the distance in the best car.
Then we have the foxtrot oscar Charlie moment.. can you imagine if Lewis had done that!!? Or wheel banging in Baku! All of that doesn't seem to matter. It was all about Seb and him believing everyone else is wrong.
Young Max, brilliant driver and a breath of fresh air but... he gets it wrong, a few 'ambitions' moves that didn't end well but nope... no grief for him either.
Lewis isn't perfect either, far from it. Yeah, he can be moody. He doesn't like to lose. Who does? He wears he heart on his sleeve. I like to see that. See the person...
We have Kimi who basically mumbles and says nothing but he's loved and is seen as a fantastic guy... again, if Lewis mumbled his way through interviews, basically said nothing... I'd imagine he'd be crucified.
I've got not problem with Seb, Max, Kimi... they are what they are... I'm not perfect. I'm sure some of you PHers are though. You must be
I just watch the racing

Good post. Agreed.

[InductionRoar]

Hungrymc said:

InductionRoar said:

I can only assume that this post is a joke.

You asked me to provide the contradictory cliché Mr. Hungry, it wasn't actually my real opinion. Only on PH could somebody take issue with your post, ask you to provide a paragraph contradicting it and then say that you are contradicting yourself. Maybe some emojis would help you understand my intended tone in future?

Your post also seems to suggest that Lewis' fans are all British whereas, I thought we had established that he was the worldwide favourite.

I think it was too subtle. The national stereotypes and cliches are a somewhat desperate. And, the ones you happen not to support are as poor as those that you spread. It's good to hear that you understand the motives of people who follow Lewis better than they do themselves. That really is a hell of postition to take.

I'm not suggesting anything about Lewis's followers. I was reflecting your "average British sheep" and "at least Italians aren't fickle" posts.

So you concede I haven't contradicted myself then?

Hungrymc said:

InductionRoar said:

Lewis fans are the easiest to wind up.

With ridiculous and contradictory cliches about their nationality.

I have only provided such ridiculous (I think we have established they aren't contradictory) clichés with regards to the British public so therefore, "their nationality" must refer to the British. Did you not mean what you typed?

On the topic of taking a hell of a position, do I really need to preface every sentence with IMO in order to identify which of my posts are my opinion and which are fact?

[Hungrymc]

Your opinions? Or recycled, ridiculous national stereotypes?

I think I understood the logic of your argument with respect to British people who follow Lewis "the average British sheep who lack the imagination...etc "

To be fair, if I'd said that I'd probably be looking to change the focus of the discussion too.

[LDN]

Hungrymc said:

Your opinions? Or recycled, ridiculous national stereotypes?

I think I understood the logic of your argument with respect to British people who follow Lewis "the average British sheep who lack the imagination...etc "

To be fair, if I'd said that I'd probably be looking to change the focus of the discussion too.

I think this was laid to rest when I pointed out that if British fans of Lewis are sheep; then what does that make his worldwide fan-base - sheep XL or sheep 2.0 or super sheep... bah.

[InductionRoar]

Hungrymc said:

Your opinions? Or recycled, ridiculous national stereotypes?

I think I understood the logic of your argument with respect to British people who follow Lewis "the average British sheep who lack the imagination...etc "

To be fair, if I'd said that I'd probably be looking to change the focus of the discussion too.

I wasn't trying to change the focus of the discussion though was I? I was merely trying to keep up with your posts and respond to your same points over and over again. I have no doubt that you will continue avoiding my questions and shoehorning my sheep comment into every post, relevant or not so I will climb down now and bow out.

So, let's get the thread back on track. IMO (I think I need to state that this is an opinion only) Lewis is a fantastic talent and a media star who seems to value his fan base. I don't like his trainers but I do like his race-craft.

Just for clarification, is this thread for discussion or adulation only?

[HustleRussell]

InductionRoar said:

I will climb down now and bow out.

That's an oxymoron you know...

[InductionRoar]

LDN said:

Hungrymc said:

Your opinions? Or recycled, ridiculous national stereotypes?

I think I understood the logic of your argument with respect to British people who follow Lewis "the average British sheep who lack the imagination...etc "

To be fair, if I'd said that I'd probably be looking to change the focus of the discussion too.

I think this was laid to rest when I pointed out that if British fans of Lewis are sheep; then what does that make his worldwide fan-base - sheep XL or sheep 2.0 or super sheep... bah.

Bah indeed.

Although, if you took the time to read my post properly I said " the average British person" not "every single man, woman and child on this island". Like I pointed out earlier, people have filled in the blanks in my posts and joined the dots to draw a picture of a pantomime anti-Lewis, anti-British villain. Ah, well at least it gives Vettel a break.