Lewis Hamilton
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Quickmoose said:
LDN said:
StevieBee said:
paua said:
The point I was making is that he appears to operate within a capacity that does not exists with others. An analogy would be students seeking a place at Oxford or Cambridge;
, done voluntary aid work in bkstain,
view him with distain.
What?
Whilst other drivers pound the gym, spend time in the sim and generally devote their lives to their sport, Hamilton appears to spend time chilling, hanging out with all and sundry and generally not doing all those other things yet still manages to turn up on race weekends and more often than not out-drive everyone else., done voluntary aid work in bkstain,
view him with distain.
What?
The appearance is that he operates within a far greater cognitive capacity than his peers.
This era is a classic for driver talent and many don't realise that - but it will be looked back upon fondly.
He doesn't out drive every other driver though
He has the wick turned up on his car.
He pretty much said as much, when he was complaining about the prospect of 3 engines next season.
Out front Seb, Bottas et al were managing their car. Lewis form the back with a new engine set to full attack mode...managed ot over take lots of other cars.
Not a shock.
That said... I personally feel the guy has extreme talent i a field of extremely talented drivers. Would be good to them all in the same car to see for sure...
A wet track is a great leveller, especially in terms of power, and it's where the very best really show their talent.
jm doc said:
Don't think it was having the wick turned up, as you put it, that made Hamilton over a second ahead of every other driver in the qualifying in the wet at Monza this year? Or his drive in the wet in Brazil last year, which was one of the all time great F1 drives in my many decades of watching F1.
A wet track is a great leveller, especially in terms of power, and it's where the very best really show their talent.
Monza Qualifying, let me think... is that when Ferrari didn't bother to turn up and Lance Stroll qualified on the second row ahead of Esteban Ocon? A wet track is a great leveller, especially in terms of power, and it's where the very best really show their talent.
I'm not taking a swipe at Hamilton who was a second clear on pole, but it's not a great example of occasions where rain has levelled the field. The sport is too complicated and there are too many variables. Who knew, for example, that the Williams which has underperformed everywhere all season would turn out to be the third fastest car in the wet, in the hands of Stroll?
HustleRussell said:
jm doc said:
Don't think it was having the wick turned up, as you put it, that made Hamilton over a second ahead of every other driver in the qualifying in the wet at Monza this year? Or his drive in the wet in Brazil last year, which was one of the all time great F1 drives in my many decades of watching F1.
A wet track is a great leveller, especially in terms of power, and it's where the very best really show their talent.
Monza Qualifying, let me think... is that when Ferrari didn't bother to turn up and Lance Stroll qualified on the second row ahead of Esteban Ocon? A wet track is a great leveller, especially in terms of power, and it's where the very best really show their talent.
I'm not taking a swipe at Hamilton who was a second clear on pole, but it's not a great example of occasions where rain has levelled the field. The sport is too complicated and there are too many variables. Who knew, for example, that the Williams which has underperformed everywhere all season would turn out to be the third fastest car in the wet, in the hands of Stroll?
jm doc said:
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. The rain always levels the field.
Can you tell me how the rain in Singapore levelled the field for Alonso?The rain always makes cars and drivers that are set up to be good in the rain do better than they would against cars which aren't good in the rain unless they fall or are pushed off the track. That's not levelling, that's showing different strengths.
With qualifying it's more about timing your run when there is slightly less rain on the track, and of course bravery to go that bit faster and either know or hope the additional grip is there that nobody's tried out before. I would argue that Stroll's qualifying was more about bravery/balls/naivety on the fastest track of the year in the rain than skill. Time may prove him to be an awesome wet driver and me a poor judge though.
jm doc said:
HustleRussell said:
jm doc said:
Don't think it was having the wick turned up, as you put it, that made Hamilton over a second ahead of every other driver in the qualifying in the wet at Monza this year? Or his drive in the wet in Brazil last year, which was one of the all time great F1 drives in my many decades of watching F1.
A wet track is a great leveller, especially in terms of power, and it's where the very best really show their talent.
Monza Qualifying, let me think... is that when Ferrari didn't bother to turn up and Lance Stroll qualified on the second row ahead of Esteban Ocon? A wet track is a great leveller, especially in terms of power, and it's where the very best really show their talent.
I'm not taking a swipe at Hamilton who was a second clear on pole, but it's not a great example of occasions where rain has levelled the field. The sport is too complicated and there are too many variables. Who knew, for example, that the Williams which has underperformed everywhere all season would turn out to be the third fastest car in the wet, in the hands of Stroll?
HustleRussell said:
A wet track is a great leveller, especially in terms of power, and it's where the very best really show their talent
I'm just pointing out that Monza 2017 is obviously a particularly poor example to support the idea that the wet brings the very best drivers to the fore or is a 'leveller' in any way. More likely some teams set their cars up to qualify well at the expense of race pace, while other teams having seen that the race was going to be dry did the opposite.
The main effect of the rain is to reduce any power advantage, but it also requires a high degree of “feel”for what the car is doing. Although setup is obviously important, are you really suggesting that at Monza, of all the drivers and cars that were on the track, the setup of Hamilton’s was over one second a lap better than everyone else’s?I'm just pointing out that Monza 2017 is obviously a particularly poor example to support the idea that the wet brings the very best drivers to the fore or is a 'leveller' in any way. More likely some teams set their cars up to qualify well at the expense of race pace, while other teams having seen that the race was going to be dry did the opposite.
(Apologies for the inept formatting!)
jm doc said:
HustleRussell said:
I'm just pointing out that Monza 2017 is obviously a particularly poor example to support the idea that the wet brings the very best drivers to the fore or is a 'leveller' in any way. More likely some teams set their cars up to qualify well at the expense of race pace, while other teams having seen that the race was going to be dry did the opposite.
The main effect of the rain is to reduce any power advantage, but it also requires a high degree of “feel”for what the car is doing. Although setup is obviously important, are you really suggesting that at Monza, of all the drivers and cars that were on the track, the setup of Hamilton’s was over one second a lap better than everyone else’s?(Apologies for the inept formatting!)
Brazil 2016 is enough to demonstrate how good is Hamilton under pressure and difficult conditions. he didn't make a single mistake and destroy the rest of the field.
People praise Verstapen drive on that day but I am not entirely sure why? I think that he spun his car 3 times during the race without anyone helping him doing it!
People praise Verstapen drive on that day but I am not entirely sure why? I think that he spun his car 3 times during the race without anyone helping him doing it!
HustleRussell said:
jm doc said:
HustleRussell said:
I'm just pointing out that Monza 2017 is obviously a particularly poor example to support the idea that the wet brings the very best drivers to the fore or is a 'leveller' in any way. More likely some teams set their cars up to qualify well at the expense of race pace, while other teams having seen that the race was going to be dry did the opposite.
The main effect of the rain is to reduce any power advantage, but it also requires a high degree of “feel”for what the car is doing. Although setup is obviously important, are you really suggesting that at Monza, of all the drivers and cars that were on the track, the setup of Hamilton’s was over one second a lap better than everyone else’s?(Apologies for the inept formatting!)
So there you go. Out of all those highly experienced teams and drivers, only Hamilton was able to get his setup so spectacularly correct that he outqualified his teammate by 2.3 seconds (who was 4th) and second place by 1.2 seconds.
And on race day the top 5 were in the top 8 in qualifying. So not much difference in setups there then?
Still, I get where you're coming from now.
Bo_apex said:
Sa Calobra said:
Bo_apex said:
768 said:
D. Ricciardo 338.2 kph
Ricci got the good engine ? 
LDN said:
This era is a classic for driver talent and many don't realise that - but it will be looked back upon fondly.
We are living through seasons that will be the envy of those watching in the future. I didn't reckon the current regs when they were proposed as I thought they'd stifle racing. So I was wrong.
This season's WDC was decided with two races to go. This is unusual for modern times. Yet at the break, more than half way through, the eventual winner was in a distant second place.
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