Lewis Hamilton

[deadslow]

Sa Calobra said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Put Alonso in Vettel's Ferrari last year and he would have won the Championship.

Unfortunately for Alonso Ferrari was another bridge burned.

He last won a title 12years ago.

I know the media hype but I think Vettel has the edge on him somewhat...

that would give Vettel the edge on Hamilton, then.

[paulguitar]

deadslow said:

Sa Calobra said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Put Alonso in Vettel's Ferrari last year and he would have won the Championship.

Unfortunately for Alonso Ferrari was another bridge burned.

He last won a title 12years ago.

I know the media hype but I think Vettel has the edge on him somewhat...

that would give Vettel the edge on Hamilton, then.

Well that's a stretch..........

[LDN]

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

Sa Calobra said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Put Alonso in Vettel's Ferrari last year and he would have won the Championship.

Unfortunately for Alonso Ferrari was another bridge burned.

He last won a title 12years ago.

I know the media hype but I think Vettel has the edge on him somewhat...

that would give Vettel the edge on Hamilton, then.

Well that's a stretch..........

Indeed. Given that Alonso / Hamilton is the only pairing we have had the privilege of seeing in the same car! And Hamilton won that battle.

[deadslow]

LDN said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

Sa Calobra said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Put Alonso in Vettel's Ferrari last year and he would have won the Championship.

Unfortunately for Alonso Ferrari was another bridge burned.

He last won a title 12years ago.

I know the media hype but I think Vettel has the edge on him somewhat...

that would give Vettel the edge on Hamilton, then.

Well that's a stretch..........

Indeed. Given that Alonso / Hamilton is the only pairing we have had the privilege of seeing in the same car! And Hamilton won that battle.

not according to the evidence, as per article above.

[paulguitar]

deadslow said:

LDN said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

Sa Calobra said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Put Alonso in Vettel's Ferrari last year and he would have won the Championship.

Unfortunately for Alonso Ferrari was another bridge burned.

He last won a title 12years ago.

I know the media hype but I think Vettel has the edge on him somewhat...

that would give Vettel the edge on Hamilton, then.

Well that's a stretch..........

Indeed. Given that Alonso / Hamilton is the only pairing we have had the privilege of seeing in the same car! And Hamilton won that battle.

not according to the evidence, as per article above.

That is the problem with only going by statistics though...If we did this, Leon Spinks could be made to be the equal of Muhammad Ali....

There are some eccentrics still making the case that because Button scored more points in total than Hamilton over three seasons, that makes Button the better driver. Clearly those people were not actually watching the races in those years!

What we know is Hamilton beat Alonso in his rookie year by the narrowest of margins. (Countback). What would happen now? Well, we don't know. Both are brilliant drivers, truly all-time greats. I only wish we could see them again in the same team.

[LDN]

deadslow said:

LDN said:

paulguitar said:

deadslow said:

Sa Calobra said:

ELUSIVEJIM said:

Put Alonso in Vettel's Ferrari last year and he would have won the Championship.

Unfortunately for Alonso Ferrari was another bridge burned.

He last won a title 12years ago.

I know the media hype but I think Vettel has the edge on him somewhat...

that would give Vettel the edge on Hamilton, then.

Well that's a stretch..........

Indeed. Given that Alonso / Hamilton is the only pairing we have had the privilege of seeing in the same car! And Hamilton won that battle.

not according to the evidence, as per article above.

You can clutch as straws all you like... there's this other measure by which to judge the drivers; it's the championship itself. And Hamilton beat Alonso. You'' come to terms with this fact one day; perhaps in the distant future

Alonso himself has said that he was stunned by the rookie. But even when Alonso says it; you can't accept it. It's called denial

[deadslow]

Lewis'guardianangel said:

You can clutch as straws all you like... there's this other measure by which to judge the drivers; it's the championship itself. And Hamilton beat Alonso. You'' come to terms with this fact one day; perhaps in the distant future

Alonso himself has said that he was stunned by the rookie. But even when Alonso says it; you can't accept it. It's called denial

Just quoting an interesting article, chum. No need to soil your drawers

[HustleRussell]

I agree with the above post which correctly points out that if you're to discuss Alonso, Hamilton, Button etc you are dealing with amazing drivers of exceptional talent, each of them superb in every way- and when you suggest that one is better than another in any particular facet of the craft that does not mean that the other is in any way lacking in that area.

I wouldn't like to call Hamilton vs. Alonso 2007. I think on driving talent alone I'd have to give Alonso the nod for that season as I believe intra-team politics probably weren't favourable for Nando for much of the season. There are caveats with that though- We're comparing Alonso at (or close to) his peak with rookie Lewis, and the political situation was probably largely Alonso's making.

These days, if you are to assume that Hamilton's similarly talented to Alonso, you'd have to pick Hamilton wouldn't you? He's Alonso talent but with reduced sugar and salt.

[deadslow]

paulguitar said:

There are some eccentrics still making the case that because Button scored more points in total than Hamilton over three seasons, that makes Button the better driver. Clearly those people were not actually watching the races in those years!

What we know is Hamilton beat Alonso in his rookie year by the narrowest of margins. (Countback). What would happen now? Well, we don't know. Both are brilliant drivers, truly all-time greats. I only wish we could see them again in the same team.

At the elite level its mostly subjective. Button fans think he is/was the best. Same for Hammy fans, and Fred fans, and Vettel fans. It will be thus for Max and Danny fans in a couple of years, I'm sure.

[LDN]

deadslow said:

paulguitar said:

There are some eccentrics still making the case that because Button scored more points in total than Hamilton over three seasons, that makes Button the better driver. Clearly those people were not actually watching the races in those years!

What we know is Hamilton beat Alonso in his rookie year by the narrowest of margins. (Countback). What would happen now? Well, we don't know. Both are brilliant drivers, truly all-time greats. I only wish we could see them again in the same team.

At the elite level its mostly subjective. Button fans think he is/was the best. Same for Hammy fans, and Fred fans, and Vettel fans. It will be thus for Max and Danny fans in a couple of years, I'm sure.

But they'd all be wrong... except the Hamilton fans of course

[paulguitar]

LDN said:

deadslow said:

paulguitar said:

There are some eccentrics still making the case that because Button scored more points in total than Hamilton over three seasons, that makes Button the better driver. Clearly those people were not actually watching the races in those years!

What we know is Hamilton beat Alonso in his rookie year by the narrowest of margins. (Countback). What would happen now? Well, we don't know. Both are brilliant drivers, truly all-time greats. I only wish we could see them again in the same team.

At the elite level its mostly subjective. Button fans think he is/was the best. Same for Hammy fans, and Fred fans, and Vettel fans. It will be thus for Max and Danny fans in a couple of years, I'm sure.

But they'd all be wrong... except the Hamilton fans of course

I like Jenson, to me a class act, both on and off the track. I think rating him in the Hamilton/Alonso category is rather optimistic though.

[M3ax]

HustleRussell said:

I agree with the above post which correctly points out that if you're to discuss Alonso, Hamilton, Button etc you are dealing with amazing drivers of exceptional talent, each of them superb in every way- and when you suggest that one is better than another in any particular facet of the craft that does not mean that the other is in any way lacking in that area.

I wouldn't like to call Hamilton vs. Alonso 2007. I think on driving talent alone I'd have to give Alonso the nod for that season as I believe intra-team politics probably weren't favourable for Nando for much of the season. There are caveats with that though- We're comparing Alonso at (or close to) his peak with rookie Lewis, and the political situation was probably largely Alonso's making.

These days, if you are to assume that Hamilton's similarly talented to Alonso, you'd have to pick Hamilton wouldn't you? He's Alonso talent but with reduced sugar and salt.

This pretty much sums it up for me.this is why I don’t post much. Occasionally I totally agree with someone else and have a quiet nod in agreement

[deadslow]

HustleRussell said:

, and the political situation was probably largely Alonso's making.

Mark Priestly, a senior mechanic at the time, wouldn't agree with you. He gives the most definite impression in his recent book that the McL mechanics were delighted when Kimi beat both their drivers to the WDC after the way they both dragged McL down.

[angrymoby]

mattyn1 said:

My lad really hopes it does, going through that now!
The strange thing is, considering the illness, putting lives on hold for 12 months, the invasive treatment, pain, etc, it is the hair loss that affects him the most.

Ah man, feel for you Mattyn1

& yep, had exactly the same here ...but tell him, that yes it does indeed grow back- might look like a fuzzy peach for a bit, mind

& echo what's been said above by others & all the best to you & your lad

[mattyn1]

angrymoby said:

Ah man, feel for you Mattyn1

& yep, had exactly the same here ...but tell him, that yes it does indeed grow back- might look like a fuzzy peach for a bit, mind

& echo what's been said above by others & all the best to you & your lad

Thanks mate.

As a show of support, when this first kicked off I said I would have mine shaved too, to be united with him against this, to show he is not alone! This is now planned for next Thursday - and all of a sudden does not seem like such a good idea! I need a woolly hat!!

[angrymoby]

deadslow said:

Mark Priestly, a senior mechanic at the time, wouldn't agree with you. He gives the most definite impression in his recent book that the McL mechanics were delighted when Kimi beat both their drivers to the WDC after the way they both dragged McL down.

This MarC Priestley, yeah?...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2gg_WujGoQ

& not surprised that he was delighted Kimi won ...he was/ is good mates with him as he'd spent the best part of 4 years working/ partying with him

haven't read the book to comment ...so will reserve judgment till then

[angrymoby]

mattyn1 said:

Thanks mate.

As a show of support, when this first kicked off I said I would have mine shaved too, to be united with him against this, to show he is not alone! This is now planned for next Thursday - and all of a sudden does not seem like such a good idea! I need a woolly hat!!

haha & brilliant idea!

i'd struggle, as already 'follicly challenged'

[mattyn1]

angrymoby said:

haha & brilliant idea!

i'd struggle, as already 'follicly challenged'

My fear is when my hair is gone, it really shows what a massive head I really do have. Plus I will look like a microphone for a while!

[LDN]

angrymoby said:

deadslow said:

Mark Priestly, a senior mechanic at the time, wouldn't agree with you. He gives the most definite impression in his recent book that the McL mechanics were delighted when Kimi beat both their drivers to the WDC after the way they both dragged McL down.

This MarC Priestley, yeah?...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2gg_WujGoQ

& not surprised that he was delighted Kimi won ...he was/ is good mates with him as he'd spent the best part of 4 years working/ partying with him

haven't read the book to comment ...so will reserve judgment till then

So, Priestley states that Hamilton is the best of this generation. Fair enough.

[deadslow]

LDN said:

angrymoby said:

deadslow said:

Mark Priestly, a senior mechanic at the time, wouldn't agree with you. He gives the most definite impression in his recent book that the McL mechanics were delighted when Kimi beat both their drivers to the WDC after the way they both dragged McL down.

This MarC Priestley, yeah?...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2gg_WujGoQ

& not surprised that he was delighted Kimi won ...he was/ is good mates with him as he'd spent the best part of 4 years working/ partying with him

haven't read the book to comment ...so will reserve judgment till then

So, Priestley states that Hamilton is the best of this generation. Fair enough.

Yes, everyone paid by Sky seems to say that same thing, funny that