Lewis Hamilton
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Polite M135 driver said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
LeoSayer said:
Hamilton's lap was 7/10ths faster than Bottas
Verstappen's lap was 6/10ths faster then Ricciardo
What a margin
Verstappen was 6.62/10ths faster than Ricciardo in a car that was supposed to be having issues.
Very close figures between both sets of drivers in the two different teams.
But Vettel was only 1.66/10ths faster than Kimi.
Vettel must be having nightmare about Charles Leclerc
InductionRoar said:
Did you watch the C4 coverage?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAOBwsgWKAw
I think that this is insight into how much of a fool Jordan is. He says Max is a tenth quicker if you negate the power deficits on the straights... What sort of nonsense is that? Doesn't mention negating the advantage the RB might have on brakes or corner entry / apex. If Eddie is right, every aspect of performance other than speed on the straight is down to the driver... Who knew ? I'll bet all the teams are kicking themselves for all the chassis and aero money they've wasted over the years because they lacked Eddies insight... What a pillock.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAOBwsgWKAw
Edited by InductionRoar on Tuesday 18th September 14:05
And it actually detracts from what was a very, very strong weekend for Max, it was undoubtedly a wonderful lap, and he drove a smart and mature race..... I don't think this weekend he needs anyone making up nonsense to support him, he drove an exceptional weekend.
Hungrymc said:
I think that this is insight into how much of a fool Jordan is. He says Max is a tenth quicker if you negate the power deficits on the straights... What sort of nonsense is that? Doesn't mention negating the advantage the RB might have on brakes or corner entry / apex. If Eddie is right, every aspect of performance other than speed on the straight is down to the driver... Who knew ? I'll bet all the teams are kicking themselves for all the chassis and aero money they've wasted over the years because they lacked Eddies insight... What a pillock.
And it actually detracts from what was a very, very strong weekend for Max, it was undoubtedly a wonderful lap, and he drove a smart and mature race..... I don't think this weekend he needs anyone making up nonsense to support him, he drove an exceptional weekend.
I am not sure the information is out there but it would be interesting to see the actual split times for Hamilton and Verstappen's lap. I know you get to see them when qualifying is happening but it's hard to keep up.And it actually detracts from what was a very, very strong weekend for Max, it was undoubtedly a wonderful lap, and he drove a smart and mature race..... I don't think this weekend he needs anyone making up nonsense to support him, he drove an exceptional weekend.
If 3/10ths were lost purely on the first section then you could argue that it is the power issue and Eddie has a point.
MotoGP always posts the perfect lap after qualifying. Basically stating who was fastest during which part of the track.
Many think a waste of time but I actually think it's very interesting.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I am not sure the information is out there but it would be interesting to see the actual split times for Hamilton and Verstappen's lap. I know you get to see them when qualifying is happening but it's hard to keep up.
If 3/10ths were lost purely on the first section then you could argue that it is the power issue and Eddie has a point.
MotoGP always posts the perfect lap after qualifying. Basically stating who was fastest during which part of the track.
Many think a waste of time but I actually think it's very interesting.
Quali sector timesIf 3/10ths were lost purely on the first section then you could argue that it is the power issue and Eddie has a point.
MotoGP always posts the perfect lap after qualifying. Basically stating who was fastest during which part of the track.
Many think a waste of time but I actually think it's very interesting.
Deesee said:
Quali sector times
Fantastic Thank you.
So between Hamilton and Verstappen
Sector 1 Hamilton 1.52/10ths faster than Verstappen
Sector 2 Verstappen 1.10/10ths faster than Hamilton
Sector 3 Hamilton 1.25/10ths faster than Verstappen.
So it could be just the power difference.
But check out Vettel's lap
Sector 1 fastest
Sector 2 4th fastest
Sector 3 5th fastest.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I am not sure the information is out there but it would be interesting to see the actual split times for Hamilton and Verstappen's lap. I know you get to see them when qualifying is happening but it's hard to keep up.
If 3/10ths were lost purely on the first section then you could argue that it is the power issue and Eddie has a point.
MotoGP always posts the perfect lap after qualifying. Basically stating who was fastest during which part of the track.
Many think a waste of time but I actually think it's very interesting.
I don't think so Jim, We know that the Merc has more power than the RB (and probably a little less than the Ferrari). If 3/10ths were lost purely on the first section then you could argue that it is the power issue and Eddie has a point.
MotoGP always posts the perfect lap after qualifying. Basically stating who was fastest during which part of the track.
Many think a waste of time but I actually think it's very interesting.
I think we know that the RB has an extremely good aero and chassis set up - The best on the grid we believe.
You can't decide to negate an aspect of performance that benefits one and then not negate aspects of performance that benefit the other... to then draw conclusions on which driver was faster .... It just flawed thinking isn't it?
Anyway, I still say two wonderful qualifying laps, Max and Lewis were both spectacular.... Eddie is a different kind of spectacular :-)
[quote=Deesee]Ill add max speeds, and all timed laps.
You can imagine just how much momentum was being carried into the corners, I think 5G was being measured in some corners., and just how well the Red Bull can maintain the speed.
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Vettel
You can imagine just how much momentum was being carried into the corners, I think 5G was being measured in some corners., and just how well the Red Bull can maintain the speed.
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Edited by Deesee on Wednesday 19th September 14:54
Deesee]eesee said:
Ill add max speeds, and all timed laps.
You can imagine just how much momentum was being carried into the corners, I think 5G was being measured in some corners., and just how well the Red Bull can maintain the speed.
But No.... As Eddie has inferred, that advantage is all down to the driver as the car is irrelevant for anything other than speed on the straight..... And the man earns a living from this.You can imagine just how much momentum was being carried into the corners, I think 5G was being measured in some corners., and just how well the Red Bull can maintain the speed.
Edited by Deesee on Wednesday 19th September 14:54
Hungrymc said:
I don't think so Jim, We know that the Merc has more power than the RB (and probably a little less than the Ferrari).
I think we know that the RB has an extremely good aero and chassis set up - The best on the grid we believe.
You can't decide to negate an aspect of performance that benefits one and then not negate aspects of performance that benefit the other... to then draw conclusions on which driver was faster .... It just flawed thinking isn't it?
Anyway, I still say two wonderful qualifying laps, Max and Lewis were both spectacular.... Eddie is a different kind of spectacular :-)
Agree fully.I think we know that the RB has an extremely good aero and chassis set up - The best on the grid we believe.
You can't decide to negate an aspect of performance that benefits one and then not negate aspects of performance that benefit the other... to then draw conclusions on which driver was faster .... It just flawed thinking isn't it?
Anyway, I still say two wonderful qualifying laps, Max and Lewis were both spectacular.... Eddie is a different kind of spectacular :-)
LDN said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
LeoSayer said:
Hamilton's lap was 7/10ths faster than Bottas
Verstappen's lap was 6/10ths faster then Ricciardo
What a margin
Verstappen was 6.62/10ths faster than Ricciardo in a car that was supposed to be having issues.
Very close figures between both sets of drivers in the two different teams.
But Vettel was only 1.66/10ths faster than Kimi.
Vettel must be having nightmare about Charles Leclerc
I think he will have a slightly difficult second season - because people already seem to be disregarding his middling weekends with Sauber.
He has had some stormers, and he looks very much like the real deal - but he is still learning and can go AWOL and make mistakes from time to time, or his pace can simply be much of a much with Ericsson.
He will likely go on to be a multiple world champion - but will face a tough year as he shows Vettel a clean pair of heels some weekends, before having a silly or quiet weekend. But now he is in a bigger team - people will stop overlooking them.
Hungrymc said:
Deesee]eesee said:
Ill add max speeds, and all timed laps.
You can imagine just how much momentum was being carried into the corners, I think 5G was being measured in some corners., and just how well the Red Bull can maintain the speed.
But No.... As Eddie has inferred, that advantage is all down to the driver as the car is irrelevant for anything other than speed on the straight..... And the man earns a living from this.You can imagine just how much momentum was being carried into the corners, I think 5G was being measured in some corners., and just how well the Red Bull can maintain the speed.
Edited by Deesee on Wednesday 19th September 14:54
Wrong again.
Mr Tidy said:
And EJ didn't infer anything - he may have implied it! Grammar police. 
lol.... That was my grammatical error, it’s not a strength of mine. My thinking was that Eddie concluded max’s lap was better (based on very flawed logic). I thought that was inference but I’m normally wrong when it comes to spelling, grammar....... and F1 predictions :-)Hungrymc said:
Mr Tidy said:
And EJ didn't infer anything - he may have implied it! Grammar police.
lol.... That was my grammatical error, it’s not a strength of mine. My thinking was that Eddie concluded max’s lap was better (based on very flawed logic). I thought that was inference but I’m normally wrong when it comes to spelling, grammar....... and F1 predictions :-)As Eddie couldn’t possibly have explicit data or facts to reach his conclusion it’s highly likely that he did, indeed, infer that Max’s lap was better before he made his statement implying it.
Whatever; it’s Eddie. It’s b
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