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London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Friday 30th November 2018
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paua said:
The Moose said:
London424 said:
liner33 said:
Bo_apex said:
Which countries are you talking about ?

Britain is probably the most culturally inclusive and tolerant in Europe.
Think he is referring to Spain what with the events a few years back
Spain, Italy, Netherlands to name 3 easy ones.
France. Parts of Germany.
There's not a country in the world without stuff to be ashamed of - www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&f=20...
Tommy R isn't French or Spanish, either. Nor Del Mar.
Quite. And it’s another reason that Hamilton has got more stick than many of the other British F1 drivers from British fans.

But the U.K. is much more moderate/accepting etc. than many European countries.

thetrickcyclist

239 posts

64 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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HorneyMX5 said:
Well that put me in my box. biggrin
scratchchin Really? tell me about it....

Teddy Lop

8,294 posts

66 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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Davos123 said:
It's ridiculous to draw any opinion on Lewis's mental health from his public persona and doing so is making light of mental health in general. HTH.
the mental health comments might be a bit crude. Most public figures be it sports, entertainment, politics etc will have or have had issues with the expectations and pressures for which they have counselling and performance psychologists etc, to the point such people are probably on team.

glazbagun

14,259 posts

196 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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Nico Rosberg hired a sports psychologist to deal with the pressure and was still burned out by the end. Mentally Broken as we loved to say in 14/15 laugh

I don't really see it as an issue. It's a stressful job that doesn't forgive failure for long, I'd be more surprised if they all had great mental health and wonder how Alonso still found motivation these past years. Crying into your millions probably helps.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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glazbagun said:
Nico Rosberg hired a sports psychologist to deal with the pressure and was still burned out by the end. Mentally Broken as we loved to say in 14/15 laugh

I don't really see it as an issue. It's a stressful job that doesn't forgive failure for long, I'd be more surprised if they all had great mental health and wonder how Alonso still found motivation these past years. Crying into your millions probably helps.
Easy for Alonso to blame crap car / engine combo so no real pressure on him to succeed.

He gave it his best shot and got praised every weekend for outdriving the car.

Different kind of pressure on the WDC contenders like Rosberg, Vettel and Hamilton. Rosberg and Vettel properly broken by the ordeal.

Derek Smith

45,514 posts

247 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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Davos123 said:
Derek Smith said:
Perhaps if he'd posted this on a forum and started it with something like 'I get the feeling that . . . ' it would have been more acceptable? We might have got a talking point out of it.

I'm not a doctor, but I get the feeling that the bloke across the road from me is diabetic. I could be wrong. In fact, I don't know, but then, nor does anyone else. Let's talk about it.
It's ridiculous to draw any opinion on Lewis's mental health from his public persona and doing so is making light of mental health in general. HTH.
The bloke's not issuing pills, signing the bloke up for therapy or sectioning him. He's giving an opinion. I view forums as a chat around a table in a pub. No one is going to change the world. It's just some people spouting off.

One point though; Hamilton is exposed to a greater extent than most people. He speaks whilst just coming from a stressful situation. He interfaces with others under the harsh light of TV without a script. We can tell a lot about people that way. The behaviour of MV pre, during and post the most recent collision tells us a fair bit about what he is like.

We make decisions on people in our daily lives on much flimsier evidence. Remarkably, we are often right.


johnxjsc1985

15,948 posts

163 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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HorneyMX5 said:
I think you’re mistaking my post for criticism, it wasn’t. I suffer from anxiety and thought I could see someone suffering the same as I do when i see Lewis being interviewed etc.
He is so laid back he is almost horizontal. When he and others finish a race they must all be absolutely buzzing and the adrenalin must be flowing through them full on.
I really cant imagine it would be possible for an F1 driver to compete at the top level with any serious Mental Health issues.

CanoeSniffer

926 posts

86 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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London424 said:
LDN said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I really don't know what Hamilton does in his time out of the Car but it does seem to upset a lot of people.
He is a British Driver to add to our list of great F1 champions and he will hopefully inspire more champions of the future.
I am not sure any other driver could have done more than he has done since the Summer break he was simply in a different class to the rest of the grid it was just a pleasure to watch him drive .
It is a privilege to see him drive. Attending Silverstone a few years on the trot; the support he has with real motorsport fans is just unbelievable... I don’t know why he upsets others, as you say. But at the track; he’s loved and respected in great measure.

A friend told me that, even though he’s been massively popular outside of the UK, especially in the America’s and Asia, there was always a strong anti Hamilton contingent in parts of Europe; but even they, apparently, are coming around. Italian press for example; have been quite vocal about Vettel’s failings and have said that Hamilton in the Ferrari, would have gotten them the championship.
That’s because there’s an awful lot of pretty racist European countries still.
I really feel the need to call out this bullst. I've attended various GPs across Europe, with 'real Motorsport fans', and had a great number of conversations with a diverse- and generally lovely- range of people who support anyone from Marcus Ericsson to Lance Stroll (unfortunately usually in perfect English to make me feel particularly embarrassed about my total lack of linguistic skills, usually ends with me red-faced and mumbling a clumsy 'Merci' or 'Danke').

The general consensus has always been that Lewis Hamilton is a truly remarkably talented racing driver, almost without question its agreed that he's the best of the current crop, and it may be some years until another driver comes along with his sheer talent and cool calm winning mentality when in the car. At no point have any of these dirty foreign racists shown anything but tremendous respect for Lewis Hamilton, the racing driver.

Almost unanimous agreement is also reached that he is simply an antagonistic personality, so wrapped up in a PR actions tornado that he appears completely dishonest and self-indulgent. This is not intended as an attack, nor is it how I desire to feel about the best British racing driver I may ever see in my lifetime. It's an honest unadulterated observation, I cannot choose to feel differently.

But what do I know, I'm just a mindless racist.

swisstoni

16,850 posts

278 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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Baffled at how the first two paragraphs can be followed by the third.
Hacked by a nutcase perhaps?

CanoeSniffer

926 posts

86 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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swisstoni said:
Baffled at how the first two paragraphs can be followed by the third.
Hacked by a nutcase perhaps?
Feel free to elaborate on what it is that's baffling you, I'm happy to clarify.

I'll presume that it's the transition from intense praise to criticism- I was hoping to make that clear by making the distinction between 'racing driver' and 'personality'.

'In the car', followed by 'out of the car', if that makes things easier for you.

I think nutcases have more nefarious and bizarre plans than taking over pistonheads accounts to be honest...

ETA: I'm not here for argument or particularly for debate, but I cannot abide seeing people being accused of being racist just because they disagree with someone's opinion on a racing driver. What a heinous thing to accuse anyone of.

Edited by CanoeSniffer on Saturday 1st December 19:22

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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CanoeSniffer said:
London424 said:
LDN said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I really don't know what Hamilton does in his time out of the Car but it does seem to upset a lot of people.
He is a British Driver to add to our list of great F1 champions and he will hopefully inspire more champions of the future.
I am not sure any other driver could have done more than he has done since the Summer break he was simply in a different class to the rest of the grid it was just a pleasure to watch him drive .
It is a privilege to see him drive. Attending Silverstone a few years on the trot; the support he has with real motorsport fans is just unbelievable... I don’t know why he upsets others, as you say. But at the track; he’s loved and respected in great measure.

A friend told me that, even though he’s been massively popular outside of the UK, especially in the America’s and Asia, there was always a strong anti Hamilton contingent in parts of Europe; but even they, apparently, are coming around. Italian press for example; have been quite vocal about Vettel’s failings and have said that Hamilton in the Ferrari, would have gotten them the championship.
That’s because there’s an awful lot of pretty racist European countries still.
I really feel the need to call out this bullst. I've attended various GPs across Europe, with 'real Motorsport fans', and had a great number of conversations with a diverse- and generally lovely- range of people who support anyone from Marcus Ericsson to Lance Stroll (unfortunately usually in perfect English to make me feel particularly embarrassed about my total lack of linguistic skills, usually ends with me red-faced and mumbling a clumsy 'Merci' or 'Danke').

The general consensus has always been that Lewis Hamilton is a truly remarkably talented racing driver, almost without question its agreed that he's the best of the current crop, and it may be some years until another driver comes along with his sheer talent and cool calm winning mentality when in the car. At no point have any of these dirty foreign racists shown anything but tremendous respect for Lewis Hamilton, the racing driver.

Almost unanimous agreement is also reached that he is simply an antagonistic personality, so wrapped up in a PR actions tornado that he appears completely dishonest and self-indulgent. This is not intended as an attack, nor is it how I desire to feel about the best British racing driver I may ever see in my lifetime. It's an honest unadulterated observation, I cannot choose to feel differently.

But what do I know, I'm just a mindless racist.
I don’t recognise your 3rd paragraph at all.

I don’t think it’s “almost unanimous”

London424

12,826 posts

174 months

Saturday 1st December 2018
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CanoeSniffer said:
London424 said:
LDN said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I really don't know what Hamilton does in his time out of the Car but it does seem to upset a lot of people.
He is a British Driver to add to our list of great F1 champions and he will hopefully inspire more champions of the future.
I am not sure any other driver could have done more than he has done since the Summer break he was simply in a different class to the rest of the grid it was just a pleasure to watch him drive .
It is a privilege to see him drive. Attending Silverstone a few years on the trot; the support he has with real motorsport fans is just unbelievable... I don’t know why he upsets others, as you say. But at the track; he’s loved and respected in great measure.

A friend told me that, even though he’s been massively popular outside of the UK, especially in the America’s and Asia, there was always a strong anti Hamilton contingent in parts of Europe; but even they, apparently, are coming around. Italian press for example; have been quite vocal about Vettel’s failings and have said that Hamilton in the Ferrari, would have gotten them the championship.
That’s because there’s an awful lot of pretty racist European countries still.
I really feel the need to call out this bullst. I've attended various GPs across Europe, with 'real Motorsport fans', and had a great number of conversations with a diverse- and generally lovely- range of people who support anyone from Marcus Ericsson to Lance Stroll (unfortunately usually in perfect English to make me feel particularly embarrassed about my total lack of linguistic skills, usually ends with me red-faced and mumbling a clumsy 'Merci' or 'Danke').

The general consensus has always been that Lewis Hamilton is a truly remarkably talented racing driver, almost without question its agreed that he's the best of the current crop, and it may be some years until another driver comes along with his sheer talent and cool calm winning mentality when in the car. At no point have any of these dirty foreign racists shown anything but tremendous respect for Lewis Hamilton, the racing driver.

Almost unanimous agreement is also reached that he is simply an antagonistic personality, so wrapped up in a PR actions tornado that he appears completely dishonest and self-indulgent. This is not intended as an attack, nor is it how I desire to feel about the best British racing driver I may ever see in my lifetime. It's an honest unadulterated observation, I cannot choose to feel differently.

But what do I know, I'm just a mindless racist.
I don’t think reading comprehension is a strong point of yours.

I just pointed out that a lot of European countries are quite racist still and that’s why it’s taken longer for them to come round to him than in other parts of the world.

Of course it isn’t a majority of fans or anything, but it’s there and it’s not limited to F1. It’s in many sports.

CanoeSniffer

926 posts

86 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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I agree that 'almost unanimous' was the wrong phrase for me to use, I should have added IME or similar.

The point being that of many people I know personally or have had the pleasure to sit trackside and talk F1 with, I've only met one person who regularly watches and doesn't find Hamilton even slightly grating, but then he thinks that Silverstone is the greatest circuit ever built and as far as I'm aware has never been to a race.

Rather than trying to argue that I'm right or Hamilton fans are wrong (I know full well that discussion goes nowhere), I'm just making the point that there are MANY reasons why people take an anti-Hamilton stance and to simply cry 'racism!' is very churlish and is a very serious allegation to level at people who may think that actually the bloke is just a bit of a bellend.

Anyway, with that point made I'll pipe down now and continue to do what I have for all of the 2018 season- be massively impressed with a very very fine racing driver. I can't pretend to be rooting for him, but I have a sneaking suspicion the new aero rules for next year could bring F1 incrementally closer to being an engine formula, in which case he's in the right team with the right dynamic around him. I'll be watching with interest to see if he can match Schuey's 7 titles- good luck to him.

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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CanoeSniffer said:
I agree that 'almost unanimous' was the wrong phrase for me to use, I should have added IME or similar.

The point being that of many people I know personally or have had the pleasure to sit trackside and talk F1 with, I've only met one person who regularly watches and doesn't find Hamilton even slightly grating, but then he thinks that Silverstone is the greatest circuit ever built and as far as I'm aware has never been to a race.

Rather than trying to argue that I'm right or Hamilton fans are wrong (I know full well that discussion goes nowhere), I'm just making the point that there are MANY reasons why people take an anti-Hamilton stance and to simply cry 'racism!' is very churlish and is a very serious allegation to level at people who may think that actually the bloke is just a bit of a bellend.

Anyway, with that point made I'll pipe down now and continue to do what I have for all of the 2018 season- be massively impressed with a very very fine racing driver. I can't pretend to be rooting for him, but I have a sneaking suspicion the new aero rules for next year could bring F1 incrementally closer to being an engine formula, in which case he's in the right team with the right dynamic around him. I'll be watching with interest to see if he can match Schuey's 7 titles- good luck to him.
Very happy your going to pipe down clap

CanoeSniffer

926 posts

86 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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Exige77 said:
Very happy your going to pipe down clap
laugh

Yes, opposing viewpoints are very tedious aren't they. Feel free to continue the circle-jerk.

wink

eccles

13,720 posts

221 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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CanoeSniffer said:
Exige77 said:
Very happy your going to pipe down clap
laugh

Yes, opposing viewpoints are very tedious aren't they. Feel free to continue the circle-jerk.

wink
rofl

Exige77

6,518 posts

190 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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CanoeSniffer said:
Exige77 said:
Very happy your going to pipe down clap
laugh

Yes, opposing viewpoints are very tedious aren't they. Feel free to continue the circle-jerk.

wink
There’s no problem with opposing views. That’s what a discussion and exchange of views is for.

Problem comes when people say nearly everybody agrees with their view when it’s blatantly not true.

And reverting to name calling biggrin

CanoeSniffer

926 posts

86 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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Exige77 said:
CanoeSniffer said:
Exige77 said:
Very happy your going to pipe down clap
laugh

Yes, opposing viewpoints are very tedious aren't they. Feel free to continue the circle-jerk.

wink
There’s no problem with opposing views. That’s what a discussion and exchange of views is for.

Problem comes when people say nearly everybody agrees with their view when it’s blatantly not true.

And reverting to name calling biggrin
I conceded that I should have added 'IME' to that post, in retrospect once that detail is included it's not dishonest- I don't seem to encounter Hamilton fans, but then I'm not much of a social media user which may explain why.

I don't really care how many people do or don't agree with me, I joined the discussion only to dispel this malicious 'racism' claim by people who seem unable to comprehend that someone simply might not like the bloke. I wouldn't entertain a racist for a second, and I don't like the implication that it's the only possible explanation for myself and the majority of my F1-following friends not to have taken to him.

No names have been called smile

Deesee

8,331 posts

82 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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All the victories ( for 44) from 2018 being shown on Sky F1 today,

Just re-watched Baku, what a race! (Valtteri sooo unluckily).

Polite M135 driver

1,853 posts

83 months

Sunday 2nd December 2018
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One thing for all to google: unconscious bias.

It’s we know that societies hold ‘others’ to higher standards than the majority.

Eg if kimi raikonnen told a journalist to fk off everyone would chuckle and feel a warm glow (what a character), whereas I suspect if Lewis Hamilton did the same there would be a lot of condemnation.
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