Lewis Hamilton

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LDN

6,554 posts

147 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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markcoznottz said:
paulguitar said:
Teddy Lop said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I would say Hamilton has broken three drivers now including one that left the sport.
could probably add heiki to that list, he was very much considered an up-and-coming talent back in the day - so much so renault dropped him for someone who'd be a better shall we say "team player" with fred.

I only said to the mrs last night, Button is really the only driver to survive Hamilton, which means you have to wonder what Button could have achieved with different opportunities.
Yes, that’s true, but I do think Jenson is rather flattered by the stats looking better for him than things really were. To be fair, he did on several occasions beat Lewis fair and square, and that is very impressive. Having said that though, there were so many races at McLaren where Lewis was leading or up front and Jens was literally nowhere. He was a driver who needed everything to be perfect with the car. When that was the case, he was sometimes unbeatable. The hard truth though is that great champions are such because they can shine when everything is not perfect with the car.

That’s what makes drivers like Lewis and Fernando a class apart from superb, but not all-time great drivers, like Jenson and Nico.

IMO.
Jenson solid driver. Was thought to be faster in a kart than Lewis. At no point, all things being equal was Jenson faster than Lewis at McLaren, his quali at times was poor as well. Jenson a more balanced individual out of the car.
Not sure about the Karting; I remember a short piece on BBC (I think) with Lewis and Jenson having a race; Lewis won that. Can’t remember if they were proper 2 - strokes or corporate karts though, so not the most accurate account I know.

TobyTR

587 posts

90 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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Button was better than what some people give him credit for, one of the most consistently quick drivers and a terrific racing brain. I'd rate him slightly better than Nico.

M.Schumacher commented in 2004 that Button's race-lap grouping was the most consistent of any driver on the grid. Definitely one of his best seasons that year in the BAR-Honda.

Jenson's thoughts: "There were days when Lewis would just do something amazing, but there were other days when you got everything right and you'd wonder where he'd gone... With Fernando, there were never any days like that. If he was behind you, he'd always be pushing you like crazy. If he was ahead of you, then you'd be hanging on."

This quote backs up him needing the car to be more perfect to really excel

Sa Calobra

28,783 posts

155 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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sparta6 said:
Interesting. I see it another way.

NR and LH slugged it out properly, and both got under each other's skin.

Once NR had achieved his objective of winning a WDC, he moved onto looking after his family and staying in one piece.

Agree that LH has been performing at his best in 2018. A calm and passive Bottas has possibly helped.
Rosberg spoke about it. He wasn't comfortable and was glad he was out.

paulguitar

3,184 posts

57 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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Sa Calobra said:
sparta6 said:
Interesting. I see it another way.

NR and LH slugged it out properly, and both got under each other's skin.

Once NR had achieved his objective of winning a WDC, he moved onto looking after his family and staying in one piece.

Agree that LH has been performing at his best in 2018. A calm and passive Bottas has possibly helped.
Rosberg spoke about it. He wasn't comfortable and was glad he was out.
Yep, Nico said he was unwilling to continue to give his life over literally 100% which was necessary to compete with Lewis. He did indeed finally get one over on Lewis in 2016 after the many, many years they raced against each other. Imagine how demoralizing it would be to be as committed as Nico had to be, in the gym and sim all the time, having sessions with sports psychologists, only for Lewis to waltz in from some fashion event or party and be as fast or faster.

No wonder he knocked it on the head.

Exige77

3,637 posts

135 months

Monday 3rd December 2018
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Nico was fast but to beat another good driver in the same car, he had to be able to race wheel to wheel and win.

Lewis mostly seemed to have the edge when it was a 50:50.

He was lucky to win in 2016 after Lewis had several mechanical issues but probably deserved 1 WDC out of the 5 Mercedes had available.

I can understand why he didn’t want to carry on.

Deesee

2,603 posts

27 months

Tuesday 4th December 2018
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2nd half of the season..

https://reddit.app.link/jTnj4SJ3mS

sparta6

1,310 posts

44 months

Tuesday 4th December 2018
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Exige77 said:
I can understand why he didn’t want to carry on.
Agree - after slugging it out across 4 years it takes its toll on family and responsibilities.
Sadly Bianchi was a mortality reminder too.

Still, a WDC and 57 front row starts was a decent enough innings.






HustleRussell

16,666 posts

104 months

Tuesday 4th December 2018
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paulguitar said:
Imagine how demoralizing it would be to be as committed as Nico had to be, in the gym and sim all the time, having sessions with sports psychologists, only for Lewis to waltz in from some fashion event or party and be as fast or faster.
The idea that Hamilton gallivants from holiday to holiday and flies in for FP1 on a race weekend is a popular myth, all of Hamilton's team mates comment on how hard he works.

ukaskew

5,157 posts

165 months

Tuesday 4th December 2018
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Indeed. The Beyond the Grid interview was fascinating in that he openly admitted that he's probably not 100% fit (in terms of tiredness) because of the lifestyle he chooses, but the mental gains more than make up for it. His discipline must be incredible as he appears to manage a lot of that on his own including his own fitness.

I found that to be a wonderfully honest and refreshing, I imagine more of a shock to places like the US where the work ethic is very much about being seen to be there.

swisstoni

7,885 posts

223 months

Tuesday 4th December 2018
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Seems to me that Hamilton has finally found (and been given the freedom to find) the sort of approach that works for him.
This is very bad news for his competitors because, as Rosberg knew, if he can be made to feel uncomfortable his performance suffers.
This is testament to Wolff and Lauda's enlightened management of genius.

BlackPrince

1,196 posts

113 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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Hamilton spent some time riding motorcycles at a private trackday with the Pata Yamaha WSBK team at Jerez this past weekend. MotorcycleNews posted this story, and it was amusing to see people come out and call Hamilton (and Marc Marquez) a wker biggrin I think its a testament to how much Hamilton loves speed in all its forms, that a week after Abu Dhabi, Hamilton was in the Spanish heat in hot leathers, sweating, riding a motorbike around a circuit.

I've seen footage of him riding at Chuckawalla, in California a few months ago and seems like he's improved leaps and bounds since then, and body english-wise, looks almost as good as Alex Lowes














Edited by BlackPrince on Thursday 6th December 01:33

LDN

6,554 posts

147 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-would-have-w...

Ferrari would have won this year’s World title if Lewis Hamilton had been in the car; according to former president Luca di Montezemolo.

“This year Hamilton made the difference in his best season since his debut,” he told Italy’s RAI radio.

cb1965

3,043 posts

89 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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LDN said:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-would-have-w...

Ferrari would have won this year’s World title if Lewis Hamilton had been in the car; according to former president Luca di Montezemolo.

“This year Hamilton made the difference in his best season since his debut,” he told Italy’s RAI radio.
Nice, that'll make Vettel feel a whole lot better rolleyes

LDN

6,554 posts

147 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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cb1965 said:
LDN said:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-would-have-w...

Ferrari would have won this year’s World title if Lewis Hamilton had been in the car; according to former president Luca di Montezemolo.

“This year Hamilton made the difference in his best season since his debut,” he told Italy’s RAI radio.
Nice, that'll make Vettel feel a whole lot better rolleyes
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But Vettel’s wobbles (plural) were where the championship was lost. Luca is right.

ntiz

814 posts

80 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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BlackPrince said:
Hamilton spent some time riding motorcycles at a private trackday with the Pata Yamaha WSBK team at Jerez this past weekend. MotorcycleNews posted this story, and it was amusing to see people come out and call Hamilton (and Marc Marquez) a wker biggrin I think its a testament to how much Hamilton loves speed in all its forms, that a week after Abu Dhabi, Hamilton was in the Spanish heat in hot leathers, sweating, riding a motorbike around a circuit.

I've seen footage of him riding at Chuckawalla, in California a few months ago and seems like he's improved leaps and bounds since then, and body english-wise, looks almost as good as Alex Lowes

Edited by BlackPrince on Thursday 6th December 01:33
I like that he does genuinely seem to love speed and extreme sports.

His car collection from what I understand is quite something a lot of it bought as well. As opposed to gifted from sponsors etc.

I follow him on facebook I think he is sponsored by Can-Am as he always seems to be driving there buggies and stuff round the desert in the US. Nice to know he is a proper petrolhead living the dream!

HustleRussell

16,666 posts

104 months

Thursday 6th December 2018
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ntiz said:
Nice to know he is a proper petrolhead living the dream!
No doubt about it IMO, just find the video on YouTube of him having a go in the old Malborough McLaren MP4/6 or similar. He was like a kid in a sweet shop.

A friend of mine who isn't into F1 has suggested that both of us, by Christmas, compile lists of our five best F1 drivers and our five favourite F1 drivers. There has been a lot of talk about where Hamilton sits in the pantheon of all time greats since he wrapped up his fifth. A lot of people tend to mark down modern era drivers as they don't have to deal with deathtrap cars with manual gearboxes and unassisted everything which were hard to drive. Hamilton is one of those who I reckon would've excelled in any period.

BlackPrince

1,196 posts

113 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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ntiz said:
I like that he does genuinely seem to love speed and extreme sports.

His car collection from what I understand is quite something a lot of it bought as well. As opposed to gifted from sponsors etc.

I follow him on facebook I think he is sponsored by Can-Am as he always seems to be driving there buggies and stuff round the desert in the US. Nice to know he is a proper petrolhead living the dream!
Yes all the other drivers just seem to have stuff from the manufacturer they are racing for, like Alonso with 650S etc., but Hamilton is as far as I know, the only non-Ferrari driver that has a Ferrari (LaF of course). And his manual Zonda 760 is the stuff of Legend. I'm not sure what cars I'd get if I won EuroMillions but I would definitely get one of those.

I think he mentioned he even got his boating license and diving license as well

BlackPrince

1,196 posts

113 months

Saturday 8th December 2018
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HustleRussell said:
No doubt about it IMO, just find the video on YouTube of him having a go in the old Malborough McLaren MP4/6 or similar. He was like a kid in a sweet shop.

A friend of mine who isn't into F1 has suggested that both of us, by Christmas, compile lists of our five best F1 drivers and our five favourite F1 drivers. There has been a lot of talk about where Hamilton sits in the pantheon of all time greats since he wrapped up his fifth. A lot of people tend to mark down modern era drivers as they don't have to deal with deathtrap cars with manual gearboxes and unassisted everything which were hard to drive. Hamilton is one of those who I reckon would've excelled in any period.
IIRC, that was from that beautiful piece in Top Gear about Senna (promoting the Senna biodoc). And yes I agree that Hamilton would have excelled in the lethal 50s and 60s whereas someone like Rosberg (as good of a driver as he is) may not have

dr_gn

12,542 posts

128 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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“I wouldn’t be up here without this incredible team, I’m just really a in the chain,” Hamilton said.

Interesting.

ETA my god it’s actually been censored.


Edited by dr_gn on Sunday 9th December 13:38

Exige77

3,637 posts

135 months

Sunday 9th December 2018
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dr_gn said:
“I wouldn’t be up here without this incredible team, I’m just really a in the chain,” Hamilton said.

Interesting.

ETA my god it’s actually been censored.


Edited by dr_gn on Sunday 9th December 13:38
Ch1nk could be seen as racist.

Welcome to PH 2018 biggrin