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ELUSIVEJIM

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4,595 posts

87 months

Monday 3rd December
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HorneyMX5 said:
I get the feeling Lewis suffers from some mental health issues. He displays a lot of the classic signs of suffering from anxiety. He's always fidgeting, he can often seem aloof and socially awkward and I don't think he has any real close relationships outside of his immediate family. He's certainly not the same charismatic character he was when he was much younger, but we do get flashes of it. The video with Will Smith from this weekend was like fun loving Lewis of old.

Back the racing. He dominated this season, completely. Even when on the odd occasion it was all going wrong he shrugged it off like a man who knew nothing could stop him. Silverstone was the only real blip when his disappointment clearly got the better of him.

For me there's no doubt he's one of the all time greats now. He's racked up some impressive records while remaining one of the most fair and respected drivers while behind the wheel. A very impressive feat in any competitive environment.
Hamilton is in the best mindset of his career. The car has been the best in the turbo era by a country mile which obviously helps.

Having that confidence before each race weekend will just make you stronger.

2018 you could say was his best year. Doubt 2019 will be any different.

If anyone has concerns about drivers with depressive thoughts I would say Vettel or Bottas could be high on that list.

I would say Hamilton has broken three drivers now including one that left the sport.


Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Monday 3rd December 10:50

Norfolkit

1,914 posts

126 months

Monday 3rd December
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Exige77 said:
CanoeSniffer said:
London424 said:
LDN said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
I really don't know what Hamilton does in his time out of the Car but it does seem to upset a lot of people.
He is a British Driver to add to our list of great F1 champions and he will hopefully inspire more champions of the future.
I am not sure any other driver could have done more than he has done since the Summer break he was simply in a different class to the rest of the grid it was just a pleasure to watch him drive .
It is a privilege to see him drive. Attending Silverstone a few years on the trot; the support he has with real motorsport fans is just unbelievable... I don’t know why he upsets others, as you say. But at the track; he’s loved and respected in great measure.

A friend told me that, even though he’s been massively popular outside of the UK, especially in the America’s and Asia, there was always a strong anti Hamilton contingent in parts of Europe; but even they, apparently, are coming around. Italian press for example; have been quite vocal about Vettel’s failings and have said that Hamilton in the Ferrari, would have gotten them the championship.
That’s because there’s an awful lot of pretty racist European countries still.
I really feel the need to call out this bullst. I've attended various GPs across Europe, with 'real Motorsport fans', and had a great number of conversations with a diverse- and generally lovely- range of people who support anyone from Marcus Ericsson to Lance Stroll (unfortunately usually in perfect English to make me feel particularly embarrassed about my total lack of linguistic skills, usually ends with me red-faced and mumbling a clumsy 'Merci' or 'Danke').

The general consensus has always been that Lewis Hamilton is a truly remarkably talented racing driver, almost without question its agreed that he's the best of the current crop, and it may be some years until another driver comes along with his sheer talent and cool calm winning mentality when in the car. At no point have any of these dirty foreign racists shown anything but tremendous respect for Lewis Hamilton, the racing driver.

Almost unanimous agreement is also reached that he is simply an antagonistic personality, so wrapped up in a PR actions tornado that he appears completely dishonest and self-indulgent. This is not intended as an attack, nor is it how I desire to feel about the best British racing driver I may ever see in my lifetime. It's an honest unadulterated observation, I cannot choose to feel differently.

But what do I know, I'm just a mindless racist.
I don’t recognise your 3rd paragraph at all.

I don’t think it’s “almost unanimous”
I'll also call out that 3rd paragraph as claptrap.
Myself and my youngest son go to one Europeam GP each year (Austria in 2019), I've never found that attitude about Hamilton at all. Sure everyone has their favourite driver or team but I've yet to come across anyone who dislikes a particular driver. Go to Spa and you will be in a sea of orange but you'll also find a great deal of respect for all the other drivers. Monza, swap red for orange but the atmosphere is the same.
The only "poor" attitude I've expreienced was at Paul Ricard this year when by mid race half of the crowd had gone home, no idea why unless it was Gasly and Ocon goning out early (but Grosjean lasted all race). For me, of all the races I've been to I'd put Paul Ricard at the bottom in whatever category you choose, dreadful organisation and little atmosphere (great scenery though).



Edited by Norfolkit on Monday 3rd December 11:13

sparta6

1,075 posts

36 months

Monday 3rd December
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
I would say Hamilton has broken three drivers now including one that left the sport.


Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Monday 3rd December 10:50
Interesting. I see it another way.

NR and LH slugged it out properly, and both got under each other's skin.

Once NR had achieved his objective of winning a WDC, he moved onto looking after his family and staying in one piece.

Agree that LH has been performing at his best in 2018. A calm and passive Bottas has possibly helped.



HighwayStar

2,023 posts

80 months

Monday 3rd December
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sparta6 said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I would say Hamilton has broken three drivers now including one that left the sport.


Edited by ELUSIVEJIM on Monday 3rd December 10:50
Interesting. I see it another way.

NR and LH slugged it out properly, and both got under each other's skin.

Once NR had achieved his objective of winning a WDC, he moved onto looking after his family and staying in one piece.

Agree that LH has been performing at his best in 2018. A calm and passive Bottas has possibly helped.
I would say Lewis was more frustrated by his reliability issues and not being able to fight NR at every race. His own issues getting the car off the line would’ve been a big factor too.
Credit where it’s due though. NR fought every inch of the way for his WDC, the pressure got to him too as you point out but he earned it.
Personally, I think too much is made of Lewis doesn’t want a strong team mate, a clear number two. He’s never asked for one, openly says he doesn’t care whose in the other seat and hopes other teams up there game for closer more exciting racing.
Bottas effectively made himself wingman by falling to far behind points wise early in the championship. Rosberg upped his game. Bottas has to do the same.

Teddy Lop

498 posts

3 months

Monday 3rd December
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ELUSIVEJIM said:
I would say Hamilton has broken three drivers now including one that left the sport.
could probably add heiki to that list, he was very much considered an up-and-coming talent back in the day - so much so renault dropped him for someone who'd be a better shall we say "team player" with fred.

I only said to the mrs last night, Button is really the only driver to survive Hamilton, which means you have to wonder what Button could have achieved with different opportunities.
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paulguitar

1,790 posts

49 months

Monday 3rd December
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Teddy Lop said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I would say Hamilton has broken three drivers now including one that left the sport.
could probably add heiki to that list, he was very much considered an up-and-coming talent back in the day - so much so renault dropped him for someone who'd be a better shall we say "team player" with fred.

I only said to the mrs last night, Button is really the only driver to survive Hamilton, which means you have to wonder what Button could have achieved with different opportunities.
Yes, that’s true, but I do think Jenson is rather flattered by the stats looking better for him than things really were. To be fair, he did on several occasions beat Lewis fair and square, and that is very impressive. Having said that though, there were so many races at McLaren where Lewis was leading or up front and Jens was literally nowhere. He was a driver who needed everything to be perfect with the car. When that was the case, he was sometimes unbeatable. The hard truth though is that great champions are such because they can shine when everything is not perfect with the car.

That’s what makes drivers like Lewis and Fernando a class apart from superb, but not all-time great drivers, like Jenson and Nico.

IMO.

markcoznottz

4,658 posts

160 months

Monday 3rd December
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paulguitar said:
Teddy Lop said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I would say Hamilton has broken three drivers now including one that left the sport.
could probably add heiki to that list, he was very much considered an up-and-coming talent back in the day - so much so renault dropped him for someone who'd be a better shall we say "team player" with fred.

I only said to the mrs last night, Button is really the only driver to survive Hamilton, which means you have to wonder what Button could have achieved with different opportunities.
Yes, that’s true, but I do think Jenson is rather flattered by the stats looking better for him than things really were. To be fair, he did on several occasions beat Lewis fair and square, and that is very impressive. Having said that though, there were so many races at McLaren where Lewis was leading or up front and Jens was literally nowhere. He was a driver who needed everything to be perfect with the car. When that was the case, he was sometimes unbeatable. The hard truth though is that great champions are such because they can shine when everything is not perfect with the car.

That’s what makes drivers like Lewis and Fernando a class apart from superb, but not all-time great drivers, like Jenson and Nico.

IMO.
Jenson solid driver. Was thought to be faster in a kart than Lewis. At no point, all things being equal was Jenson faster than Lewis at McLaren, his quali at times was poor as well. Jenson a more balanced individual out of the car.

LDN

5,832 posts

139 months

Monday 3rd December
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markcoznottz said:
paulguitar said:
Teddy Lop said:
ELUSIVEJIM said:
I would say Hamilton has broken three drivers now including one that left the sport.
could probably add heiki to that list, he was very much considered an up-and-coming talent back in the day - so much so renault dropped him for someone who'd be a better shall we say "team player" with fred.

I only said to the mrs last night, Button is really the only driver to survive Hamilton, which means you have to wonder what Button could have achieved with different opportunities.
Yes, that’s true, but I do think Jenson is rather flattered by the stats looking better for him than things really were. To be fair, he did on several occasions beat Lewis fair and square, and that is very impressive. Having said that though, there were so many races at McLaren where Lewis was leading or up front and Jens was literally nowhere. He was a driver who needed everything to be perfect with the car. When that was the case, he was sometimes unbeatable. The hard truth though is that great champions are such because they can shine when everything is not perfect with the car.

That’s what makes drivers like Lewis and Fernando a class apart from superb, but not all-time great drivers, like Jenson and Nico.

IMO.
Jenson solid driver. Was thought to be faster in a kart than Lewis. At no point, all things being equal was Jenson faster than Lewis at McLaren, his quali at times was poor as well. Jenson a more balanced individual out of the car.
Not sure about the Karting; I remember a short piece on BBC (I think) with Lewis and Jenson having a race; Lewis won that. Can’t remember if they were proper 2 - strokes or corporate karts though, so not the most accurate account I know.

TobyTR

230 posts

82 months

Monday 3rd December
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Button was better than what some people give him credit for, one of the most consistently quick drivers and a terrific racing brain. I'd rate him slightly better than Nico.

M.Schumacher commented in 2004 that Button's race-lap grouping was the most consistent of any driver on the grid. Definitely one of his best seasons that year in the BAR-Honda.

Jenson's thoughts: "There were days when Lewis would just do something amazing, but there were other days when you got everything right and you'd wonder where he'd gone... With Fernando, there were never any days like that. If he was behind you, he'd always be pushing you like crazy. If he was ahead of you, then you'd be hanging on."

This quote backs up him needing the car to be more perfect to really excel

Sa Calobra

27,434 posts

147 months

Monday 3rd December
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sparta6 said:
Interesting. I see it another way.

NR and LH slugged it out properly, and both got under each other's skin.

Once NR had achieved his objective of winning a WDC, he moved onto looking after his family and staying in one piece.

Agree that LH has been performing at his best in 2018. A calm and passive Bottas has possibly helped.
Rosberg spoke about it. He wasn't comfortable and was glad he was out.

paulguitar

1,790 posts

49 months

Monday 3rd December
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Sa Calobra said:
sparta6 said:
Interesting. I see it another way.

NR and LH slugged it out properly, and both got under each other's skin.

Once NR had achieved his objective of winning a WDC, he moved onto looking after his family and staying in one piece.

Agree that LH has been performing at his best in 2018. A calm and passive Bottas has possibly helped.
Rosberg spoke about it. He wasn't comfortable and was glad he was out.
Yep, Nico said he was unwilling to continue to give his life over literally 100% which was necessary to compete with Lewis. He did indeed finally get one over on Lewis in 2016 after the many, many years they raced against each other. Imagine how demoralizing it would be to be as committed as Nico had to be, in the gym and sim all the time, having sessions with sports psychologists, only for Lewis to waltz in from some fashion event or party and be as fast or faster.

No wonder he knocked it on the head.

Exige77

2,965 posts

127 months

Monday 3rd December
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Nico was fast but to beat another good driver in the same car, he had to be able to race wheel to wheel and win.

Lewis mostly seemed to have the edge when it was a 50:50.

He was lucky to win in 2016 after Lewis had several mechanical issues but probably deserved 1 WDC out of the 5 Mercedes had available.

I can understand why he didn’t want to carry on.

Deesee

1,258 posts

19 months

Tuesday 4th December
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2nd half of the season..

https://reddit.app.link/jTnj4SJ3mS

sparta6

1,075 posts

36 months

Tuesday 4th December
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Exige77 said:
I can understand why he didn’t want to carry on.
Agree - after slugging it out across 4 years it takes its toll on family and responsibilities.
Sadly Bianchi was a mortality reminder too.

Still, a WDC and 57 front row starts was a decent enough innings.






HustleRussell

15,460 posts

96 months

Tuesday 4th December
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paulguitar said:
Imagine how demoralizing it would be to be as committed as Nico had to be, in the gym and sim all the time, having sessions with sports psychologists, only for Lewis to waltz in from some fashion event or party and be as fast or faster.
The idea that Hamilton gallivants from holiday to holiday and flies in for FP1 on a race weekend is a popular myth, all of Hamilton's team mates comment on how hard he works.

ukaskew

4,409 posts

157 months

Tuesday 4th December
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Indeed. The Beyond the Grid interview was fascinating in that he openly admitted that he's probably not 100% fit (in terms of tiredness) because of the lifestyle he chooses, but the mental gains more than make up for it. His discipline must be incredible as he appears to manage a lot of that on his own including his own fitness.

I found that to be a wonderfully honest and refreshing, I imagine more of a shock to places like the US where the work ethic is very much about being seen to be there.

swisstoni

7,169 posts

215 months

Tuesday 4th December
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Seems to me that Hamilton has finally found (and been given the freedom to find) the sort of approach that works for him.
This is very bad news for his competitors because, as Rosberg knew, if he can be made to feel uncomfortable his performance suffers.
This is testament to Wolff and Lauda's enlightened management of genius.

BlackPrince

1,092 posts

105 months

Thursday
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Hamilton spent some time riding motorcycles at a private trackday with the Pata Yamaha WSBK team at Jerez this past weekend. MotorcycleNews posted this story, and it was amusing to see people come out and call Hamilton (and Marc Marquez) a wker biggrin I think its a testament to how much Hamilton loves speed in all its forms, that a week after Abu Dhabi, Hamilton was in the Spanish heat in hot leathers, sweating, riding a motorbike around a circuit.

I've seen footage of him riding at Chuckawalla, in California a few months ago and seems like he's improved leaps and bounds since then, and body english-wise, looks almost as good as Alex Lowes














Edited by BlackPrince on Thursday 6th December 01:33

LDN

5,832 posts

139 months

Thursday
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https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-would-have-w...

Ferrari would have won this year’s World title if Lewis Hamilton had been in the car; according to former president Luca di Montezemolo.

“This year Hamilton made the difference in his best season since his debut,” he told Italy’s RAI radio.

cb1965

2,573 posts

81 months

Thursday
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LDN said:
https://www.planetf1.com/news/ferrari-would-have-w...

Ferrari would have won this year’s World title if Lewis Hamilton had been in the car; according to former president Luca di Montezemolo.

“This year Hamilton made the difference in his best season since his debut,” he told Italy’s RAI radio.
Nice, that'll make Vettel feel a whole lot better rolleyes