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Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
janesmith1950 said:
You only have to watch Senna push Prost off at Suzuka to see he was not respectful of his environment or fellow competitors.
He was an enigma, but he was also an utter arse.
Accept your correction on calling Hamilton a berk, thank you.
I like Lewis and don't consider him a berk, but either way to achieve what he has whilst being clean on the track has been a mightly achievement. I don't think he will be fully appreciated until he has retired.He was an enigma, but he was also an utter arse.
Accept your correction on calling Hamilton a berk, thank you.
paulguitar said:
I like Lewis and don't consider him a berk, but either way to achieve what he has whilst being clean on the track has been a mightly achievement. I don't think he will be fully appreciated until he has retired.
Yep there have been very, very few genuine controversies in the grand scheme of things considering he's always at the sharp end or in the thick of the action, both on track and off it. Considering the politics of F1 and his chosen lifestyle away from it that's pretty remarkable for a guy who has literally grown up in the public eye. His consistency in lack of mistakes in the past few years is also pretty insane.
He's about as good as any driver has ever been. It's impossible to make direct driver comparisons as the sport has changed and the circumstances effecting each drivers career can always be argued to enhance or detract from their potential greatness...
But in the end, it is fair to judge a driver by the number of wins they get - otherwise, what is the point of racing? And Lewis is on a trajectory to beat just about every meaningful record in the sport. His overall performance during his career compared to any other contemporary driver has been unbelievable.
And for those that say "easy to do in the right car...", they might like to consider how difficult it is to get in "the right car" in F1.. It's not as if names are drawn from a hat. It takes genuine talent to prove you're worth considering for a seat, and you have to be statistically exceptional to get on a top teams radar early enough to find yourself sat in a (then able to contend) McLaren.
But in the end, it is fair to judge a driver by the number of wins they get - otherwise, what is the point of racing? And Lewis is on a trajectory to beat just about every meaningful record in the sport. His overall performance during his career compared to any other contemporary driver has been unbelievable.
And for those that say "easy to do in the right car...", they might like to consider how difficult it is to get in "the right car" in F1.. It's not as if names are drawn from a hat. It takes genuine talent to prove you're worth considering for a seat, and you have to be statistically exceptional to get on a top teams radar early enough to find yourself sat in a (then able to contend) McLaren.
SmoothCriminal said:
Haters are going to love this.
Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
Just saw the Berger write up and he’s certainly held back from saying such things in the past. Praise indeed for LH. Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
37chevy said:
I do wonder if the likes of hunt, Senna, Prost would have been racing these days where trial by social media is everything, if they’d have come off so well. They were lucky that every part of their life wasn’t being scrutinised and polorised by the public.
Well Hunt was certainly no stranger to the public eye. He would probably viewed as "The Boris Johnson of F1" nowadays. Prost would be a miserable b'stard "The Victor Meldrew of F1" and Senna would be the enfant terrible "The Bart Simpson of F1"Perhaps.
SmoothCriminal said:
Haters are going to love this.
Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
What does Berger know though? Certainly not as much as the PH armchair experts of course!Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
cb1965 said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Haters are going to love this.
Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
What does Berger know though? Certainly not as much as the PH armchair experts of course!Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
LDN said:
SmoothCriminal said:
Haters are going to love this.
Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
Just saw the Berger write up and he’s certainly held back from saying such things in the past. Praise indeed for LH. Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
SmoothCriminal said:
Haters are going to love this.
Lewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
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Don't anyone please take this the wrong way but Senna is over rated. More so because he died during his peakLewis Hamilton is 'on the same level' as Ayrton Senna - Gerhard Berger
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/48028651
The Austrian said he had always regarded Senna as a class apart but now considered Hamilton, 34, on a par.
Berger said: "Everybody asks me: 'How do you see this driver against Ayrton?'
"And I always, in all the years, say: 'I don't see anybody near to Ayrton.' But Lewis is [now] the first driver I put on the same level as Ayrton."
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Edited by slipstream 1985 on Wednesday 24th April 22:48
slipstream 1985 said:
Don't anyone please take this the wrong way but Senna is over rated. More so because he died during his peak
Kinda with you.Edited by slipstream 1985 on Wednesday 24th April 22:48
Insanely talented on his day, but also inconsistent and quite frankly a c**t on track, as was Prost, Schumacher. Still think he’s one of the greats, but put him in modern f1 and don’t think he would be nearly as good, not least because he’d probably be banned or torn apart by social media.
Different times
slipstream 1985 said:
Don't anyone please take this the wrong way but Senna is over rated. More so because he died during his peak
It's a point made elsewhere often enough when debating how goon Senna really was.Edited by slipstream 1985 on Wednesday 24th April 22:48
Not sure if that means he's overrated, or just that people are generally underrated whilst they're still there. Leaving in your peak (however you leave) is of course a well known way leave people with fond memories of you. Rather than struggle on until your talent declines or times move on and you're simply forgotten.
He was a little before my time sadly, but I have watched endless documentaries and some old races, and he was clearly a talent to behold. Also about the most aggressive and stubborn driver I have seen. Not a gap he wouldn't go for, and just like Verstappen today, if you moved to cover it off, there is a good chance he would simply drive in to you. Easiest just to let him through! Lewis however seems to manage just as dazzling results but more often than not by driving off the line, finding grip on the outside and ending up visibily ahead, and on the inside for the following turn. Job done, nice and safe. Over the course of a long career, that probably is a better way of using ones talent, than simply terrifying the driver in front into letting you through. So I don't have a problem saying Lewis probably is an equal, and maybe the better driver overall.
Edited by TheDeuce on Wednesday 24th April 23:24
Senna was my childhood hero from when he first came into the sport.
I struggle with anyone who watched F1 back then and who didn’t see his skill.
Anyone from before the early 80s I’m going off what I’ve read and my dad’s opinion but I my lifetime, I’ve only witnessed two genius drivers;
Senna and Hamilton.
Schumacher, Prost, Lauda, Alonso, all were amazing drivers but, Senna and Hamilton could do things that no others could do, regularly.
I struggle with anyone who watched F1 back then and who didn’t see his skill.
Anyone from before the early 80s I’m going off what I’ve read and my dad’s opinion but I my lifetime, I’ve only witnessed two genius drivers;
Senna and Hamilton.
Schumacher, Prost, Lauda, Alonso, all were amazing drivers but, Senna and Hamilton could do things that no others could do, regularly.
37chevy said:
slipstream 1985 said:
Don't anyone please take this the wrong way but Senna is over rated. More so because he died during his peak
Kinda with you.Edited by slipstream 1985 on Wednesday 24th April 22:48
Insanely talented on his day, but also inconsistent and quite frankly a c**t on track, as was Prost, Schumacher. Still think he’s one of the greats, but put him in modern f1 and don’t think he would be nearly as good, not least because he’d probably be banned or torn apart by social media.
Different times
Senna achieved quite a lot in only half a Career.
He joined Williams at the start of a dominant period. First few months the car was poor as the rules where changed during the previous winter.
Had he not lost his life, he would probably have won another 4/5 WDCs. Journeymen Hill and Villeneuve weren’t far behind Schumacher and even won twice.
We will never know what could have been but you can only judge drivers in period. No point to in discussing how they would do in a modern F1 car or how Hamilton would get on in a 60’s car.
He joined Williams at the start of a dominant period. First few months the car was poor as the rules where changed during the previous winter.
Had he not lost his life, he would probably have won another 4/5 WDCs. Journeymen Hill and Villeneuve weren’t far behind Schumacher and even won twice.
We will never know what could have been but you can only judge drivers in period. No point to in discussing how they would do in a modern F1 car or how Hamilton would get on in a 60’s car.
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