Lewis Hamilton
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I have said this earlier in the thread. Before deciding he is the goat, or the greatest in the world, can we even say he is the greatest British driver of all time?
Can we say that Hamilton is a better driver than Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart was?
And I say, no, we can not say that.
But I do think Hamilton joins the greats. I mean, his record will put him there for a start.
Can we say that Hamilton is a better driver than Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart was?
And I say, no, we can not say that.
But I do think Hamilton joins the greats. I mean, his record will put him there for a start.
heebeegeetee said:
I have said this earlier in the thread. Before deciding he is the goat, or the greatest in the world, can we even say he is the greatest British driver of all time?
Can we say that Hamilton is a better driver than Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart was?
And I say, no, we can not say that.
But I do think Hamilton joins the greats. I mean, his record will put him there for a start.
That's about the sum of it. Can we say that Hamilton is a better driver than Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart was?
And I say, no, we can not say that.
But I do think Hamilton joins the greats. I mean, his record will put him there for a start.
glazbagun said:
I'd have Prost before Schumacher- raced against champion-level team mates and beat them, as has Hamilton.
Schumi, Vettel and I'm sure many others rarely had a top-drawer teammate to beat.
If that's your criteria for greatness you would have to add in Button and Rosberg to your hall of greats as they both beat champion Hamilton in equal machinery.Schumi, Vettel and I'm sure many others rarely had a top-drawer teammate to beat.
Edited by glazbagun on Wednesday 7th August 04:34
Bonefish Blues said:
heebeegeetee said:
I have said this earlier in the thread. Before deciding he is the goat, or the greatest in the world, can we even say he is the greatest British driver of all time?
Can we say that Hamilton is a better driver than Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart was?
And I say, no, we can not say that.
But I do think Hamilton joins the greats. I mean, his record will put him there for a start.
That's about the sum of it. Can we say that Hamilton is a better driver than Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart was?
And I say, no, we can not say that.
But I do think Hamilton joins the greats. I mean, his record will put him there for a start.
You can have the best of an era, Hamilton is clearly that from the mid 2000s onwards, schumacher from the mid 90s-00s, Senna and Prost before that, etc etc
You can never have the greatest of all time, track and cars have changed much that it’s simply not comparable.
Could Lewis drive Clarke’s car on treelined treacherous circuits and win? Who knows. Could Clarke win in Hamilton’s car with all the mental and physical fitness required along with dealing with all the baggage that comes with being a modern F1 driver?
Think we just need to celebrate and recognise when we come across a true great of the sport, they don’t come along often
37chevy said:
Agreed
You can have the best of an era, Hamilton is clearly that from the mid 2000s onwards, schumacher from the mid 90s-00s, Senna and Prost before that, etc etc
You can never have the greatest of all time, track and cars have changed much that it’s simply not comparable.
Could Lewis drive Clarke’s car on treelined treacherous circuits and win? Who knows. Could Clarke win in Hamilton’s car with all the mental and physical fitness required along with dealing with all the baggage that comes with being a modern F1 driver?
Think we just need to celebrate and recognise when we come across a true great of the sport, they don’t come along often
Well said.You can have the best of an era, Hamilton is clearly that from the mid 2000s onwards, schumacher from the mid 90s-00s, Senna and Prost before that, etc etc
You can never have the greatest of all time, track and cars have changed much that it’s simply not comparable.
Could Lewis drive Clarke’s car on treelined treacherous circuits and win? Who knows. Could Clarke win in Hamilton’s car with all the mental and physical fitness required along with dealing with all the baggage that comes with being a modern F1 driver?
Think we just need to celebrate and recognise when we come across a true great of the sport, they don’t come along often
Although unlike Clarke and Co unfortunately Lewis didn't really shine for a few years, between 2009 and 2013.
Seems he really needed to get the Mercedes seat. Thankfully Lauda was persuasive.
CustardOnChips said:
Horner and his band of pundits don't count as many in the paddock.
So Rosberg is a Horner pundit?Webber but no doubt that was due to his Red Bull ties if he even still speaks to them.
Eddie Jordan and others have stated in words that he is currently the best driver of 2019.
Autosport also has a midway drivers rating.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/driver-ratings
Considering the car compared to the Mercedes it's hard to argue that Max Verstappen has been the best driver of 2019.
But I would say it's 50/50 with Lewis.
Both are tier one + drivers.
ELUSIVEJIM said:
So Rosberg is a Horner pundit?
Webber but no doubt that was due to his Red Bull ties if he even still speaks to them.
Eddie Jordan and others have stated in words that he is currently the best driver of 2019.
Autosport also has a midway drivers rating.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/driver-ratings
Considering the car compared to the Mercedes it's hard to argue that Max Verstappen has been the best driver of 2019.
But I would say it's 50/50 with Lewis.
Both are tier one + drivers.
Can't argue with that.Webber but no doubt that was due to his Red Bull ties if he even still speaks to them.
Eddie Jordan and others have stated in words that he is currently the best driver of 2019.
Autosport also has a midway drivers rating.
https://www.autosport.com/f1/driver-ratings
Considering the car compared to the Mercedes it's hard to argue that Max Verstappen has been the best driver of 2019.
But I would say it's 50/50 with Lewis.
Both are tier one + drivers.
Also good to see George on the ascent.
Bo_apex said:
Can't argue with that.
Also good to see George on the ascent.
It's hard to know exactly how good George Russell is which sounds a very negative statement.Also good to see George on the ascent.
He is up against Kubica who sadly is clearly been away from F1 for too long as well as his terrible injury. He is a shadow of himself
So judging Russell against Kubica is a hard one.
But his drive in the Hungarian race was mightly impressive especially his first lap manoeuvres past faster cars.
To then finish 16th ahead of much better cars and lap your teammate speaks volumes.
I would like to see Russell and Ocon in the same car for 2020. That could be the plan for Williams if Bottas stays.
Both fight it out for a Mercedes drive in 2021.
Bo_apex said:
Well said.
Although unlike Clarke and Co unfortunately Lewis didn't really shine for a few years, between 2009 and 2013.
Seems he really needed to get the Mercedes seat. Thankfully Lauda was persuasive.
I think he shone, just wish a fairly naff car you can’t completely show your thing, just like Schumacher had a few rough years with Benetton and the initial Ferrari’s. Although unlike Clarke and Co unfortunately Lewis didn't really shine for a few years, between 2009 and 2013.
Seems he really needed to get the Mercedes seat. Thankfully Lauda was persuasive.
Fangio is probably the only exception but then he always switched so he was in the best car at all times
Bonefish Blues said:
Clark.
I’m not disagreeing with you, because I think he is up there, but how can you compare Clark to Lewis for example. Given they drive completely different cars, with a huge chasm in terms of technology, fitness training, mental agility etc how can you make a fair comparison to say one is better than the other? 37chevy said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Clark.
I’m not disagreeing with you, because I think he is up there, but how can you compare Clark to Lewis for example. Given they drive completely different cars, with a huge chasm in terms of technology, fitness training, mental agility etc how can you make a fair comparison to say one is better than the other? 37chevy said:
Bo_apex said:
Well said.
Although unlike Clarke and Co unfortunately Lewis didn't really shine for a few years, between 2009 and 2013.
Seems he really needed to get the Mercedes seat. Thankfully Lauda was persuasive.
I think he shone, just wish a fairly naff car you can’t completely show your thing, just like Schumacher had a few rough years with Benetton and the initial Ferrari’s. Although unlike Clarke and Co unfortunately Lewis didn't really shine for a few years, between 2009 and 2013.
Seems he really needed to get the Mercedes seat. Thankfully Lauda was persuasive.
Fangio is probably the only exception but then he always switched so he was in the best car at all times
Next 2 full seasons were both WDC, while adapting to different engines, Ford then Renault.
Fangio was also great at adapting.
Lewis Hamilton & Valtteri Bottas review 10 Mercedes F1 cars!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2rDb17zvDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2rDb17zvDU
37chevy said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Clark.
I’m not disagreeing with you, because I think he is up there, but how can you compare Clark to Lewis for example. Given they drive completely different cars, with a huge chasm in terms of technology, fitness training, mental agility etc how can you make a fair comparison to say one is better than the other? Winning a rain-soaked 1963 Belgian GP by nearly 5 minutes; winning first time out in the Lotus 49, having never even seen it before the event; persuading the Lotus 43-BRM to its only win; coming from over a lap down at Monza in 1967 (and thwarted by fuel problems); winning the WC and the Indy 500 in the same year (and the Tasman series and the French F2 championship for good measure).
Halmyre said:
37chevy said:
Bonefish Blues said:
Clark.
I’m not disagreeing with you, because I think he is up there, but how can you compare Clark to Lewis for example. Given they drive completely different cars, with a huge chasm in terms of technology, fitness training, mental agility etc how can you make a fair comparison to say one is better than the other? Winning a rain-soaked 1963 Belgian GP by nearly 5 minutes; winning first time out in the Lotus 49, having never even seen it before the event; persuading the Lotus 43-BRM to its only win; coming from over a lap down at Monza in 1967 (and thwarted by fuel problems); winning the WC and the Indy 500 in the same year (and the Tasman series and the French F2 championship for good measure).
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