Lewis Hamilton

[glazbagun]

DS240 said:

If you’ve decided to be vegan then just go about your life being vegan.

Why does everyone who’s gone vegan feel the need to bleat on about it to the point of preaching.

You don't know if they're vegan if they haven't told you, so it's a confirmation bias.

[Halmyre]

budgie smuggler said:

Poppiecock said:

Mr_Thyroid said:

This is such a hack opinion. Some veggie burgers and sausages are delicious. I would say, if you're prepared to eat who knows what parts of animals that have been mushed up into a slurry and formed into a disc or a cylinder, why would you be against doing the same to vegetables or other protein? Because, you know, it's not the shape that's the problem, it's the bit where the animal is killed.

I just find it bizarre that vegans spend ages trying to make stuff look and taste like meat.

It's almost as if the human as a species is genetically designed to seek out and eat meat.

Poppiecock said:

If you really believed in the ethics, then stand by it and stop trying to emulate it. Vegans are spending lots of time and effort even trying to get vegan 'meat' to bleed.

...

It's virtue signalling at its finest.

I don't understand how you can't understand that people can like the taste and texture of meat, but not the fact that an animal had to die/live in terrible conditions for it.

You just had to add the "live in terrible conditions" codicil, didn't you?

[glazbagun]

Leithen said:

Jim Clark and his Oxford Downs, Suffolk Downs and Border Leicesters would be very perplexed.

Wasn't Clark partial to a party in his French tax exile home?

• Edit. Sorry, forgot the thread had moved from moaning about Lewis being a tax exile and his clothes and partying to moaning about his diet.

Edited by glazbagun on Tuesday 3rd September 12:41

[swisstoni]

Leithen said:

Clearly the jet had leather seats, so it had to go.

Convincing the Mercedes board to drop leather seats in its cars is probably proving more tricky. But, credit where credit is due, fighting the good fight from within the system by remaining an employee takes guts and chutzpa.

The amount of real leather in modern leather car seats makes them virtually vegan already.

[Poppiecock]

swisstoni said:

The amount of real leather in modern leather car seats makes them virtually vegan already.

Don't most Mercs come with Artico these days anyway?

[Leithen]

glazbagun said:

Wasn't Clark partial to a party in his French tax exile home?

• Edit. Sorry, forgot the thread had moved from moaning about Lewis being a tax exile and his clothes and partying to moaning about his diet.

Quite a state of affairs when France was a tax haven....

Re his diet, it is simply disappointing that he's fallen hook line and sinker for the current mantra of cows being worse for the planet than cars.

I would say that as a Scottish beef farmer, but hey ho, todays news, tomorrow's fish and chips wrapper.

[anonymous-user]

The Hamilton Ham Burger.

I think his intentions are great and he seems to share a lot about animal rights which can only be a good thing.

Recently watched a farming programme with local farmers in my area. It was an eye-opener at how passionate and caring these extremely hard-working farmers are when it comes to their animals. Some even got upset when their animals were obviously going to be slaughtered.

I can totally see why Lewis feels this way and hopefully, it's a successful backing for him.

[budgie smuggler]

Halmyre said:

You just had to add the "live in terrible conditions" codicil, didn't you?

Codicil? I had to look that one up, well done you.

What I said in the post is pertinent. I eat meat and cheese, drink milk, have leather seats and so on, and personally don't mind animals dying to be our food. However, the thought of creatures suffering needlessly for it is truly repulsive.

[Halmyre]

budgie smuggler said:

Halmyre said:

You just had to add the "live in terrible conditions" codicil, didn't you?

Codicil? I had to look that one up, well done you.

What I said in the post is pertinent. I eat meat and cheese, drink milk, have leather seats and so on, and personally don't mind animals dying to be our food. However, the thought of creatures suffering needlessly for it is truly repulsive.

Fair enough, but this trope of suffering animals is used too freely by those with an agenda to peddle.

[paulguitar]

Halmyre said:

Fair enough, but this trope of suffering animals is used too freely by those with an agenda to peddle.

To the vegans and veggies I know amongst my family and friends, the suffering of the animals is the most important part.

[Jasandjules]

StevieBee said:

I work in the environmental sector which requires me to travel the world quite extensively. I could cycle or walk to Belarus in a couple of weeks but I'm thinking Boeing's or Airbus's finest might be the better bet.

I use the telephone or skype for long distance meetings.. Wonder why so many Eco things can't...

[vdn]

The Surveyor said:

DS240 said:

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Why does everyone who’s gone vegan feel the need to bleat on about it to the point of preaching.

Its a defence mechanism, it avoids the constant 'oh you don't look well' questions

It can’t be, as vegans live longer and suffer less disease. So it must be something else...

[anonymous-user]

vdn said:

The Surveyor said:

DS240 said:

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Why does everyone who’s gone vegan feel the need to bleat on about it to the point of preaching.

Its a defence mechanism, it avoids the constant 'oh you don't look well' questions

It can’t be, as vegans live longer and suffer less disease. So it must be something else...

Whilst it’s true that vegans and vegetarians live longer, at least as shown by quite limited studies, there is no evidence that their diet is responsible, as the same studies show that, overall, vegans and vegetarians exercise more, are married and generally live quite stable lives, don’t smoke and drink less.

From studies trying to establish causal relationships, the other factors seem to be much more likely factors than diet.

Which, when you think about it, seems obvious.

[vdn]

REALIST123 said:

vdn said:

The Surveyor said:

DS240 said:

….
Why does everyone who’s gone vegan feel the need to bleat on about it to the point of preaching.

Its a defence mechanism, it avoids the constant 'oh you don't look well' questions

It can’t be, as vegans live longer and suffer less disease. So it must be something else...

Whilst it’s true that vegans and vegetarians live longer, at least as shown by quite limited studies, there is no evidence that their diet is responsible, as the same studies show that, overall, vegans and vegetarians exercise more, are married and generally live quite stable lives, don’t smoke and drink less.

From studies trying to establish causal relationships, the other factors seem to be much more likely factors than diet.

Which, when you think about it, seems obvious.

Not at all. The consensus is that vegans and vegetarians live longer, at least in part if not by in large; because of their diet. Red meat is carcinogenic; particularly processed meat. Cholesterol issues and the list goes on. Recovery in sports people... benefiting from vegan diets; hell, there are even studies into men’s reliance on viagra and the like - and again, vegans and vegetarians are less likely to rely on such drugs, enjoying better erections and healthier sex lives.

Veganism is preached in part, because ‘converts’ are oft astounded by the benefits they are experiencing. Also, some people are exposed to sights and sounds from every day slaughterhouse exposure and cannot square their morality with their actions.

And so, in closing; it’s most certainly not - as the obvious fail at humour suggested - but moreso a myriad of other factors.

[Poppiecock]

All massively skewed by the social class of most people who go vegan.

You never see a vegan at Wetherspoons or on your local council estate.

[poo at Paul's]

Poppiecock said:

To coin the current buzz phrase. This is just virtue signalling. He still flies all over the world in private jets, it's just that he now uses rented aircraft rather than his own. I"d be rather more impressed if someone saw him flying to Monza by Ryanair.

I queued up behind Johnny Herbert at Luton going to Nice on Easyjet one afternoon, when he was still driving in F1!
He's proper tiny! I nearly offered to take him as my hand luggage!

[Poppiecock]

poo at Paul's said:

I queued up behind Johnny Herbert at Luton going to Nice on Easyjet one afternoon, when he was still driving in F1!
He's proper tiny! I nearly offered to take him as my hand luggage!

Johnny Herbert. Eco Warrior.

[C70R]

Poppiecock said:

Mr_Thyroid said:

This is such a hack opinion. Some veggie burgers and sausages are delicious. I would say, if you're prepared to eat who knows what parts of animals that have been mushed up into a slurry and formed into a disc or a cylinder, why would you be against doing the same to vegetables or other protein? Because, you know, it's not the shape that's the problem, it's the bit where the animal is killed.

I just find it bizarre that vegans spend ages trying to make stuff look and taste like meat.

It's almost as if the human as a species is genetically designed to seek out and eat meat.

You'd have to be pretty thick or trolling to have this view of vegetarians/vegans.

I can't decide which.

[RemarkLima]

DS240 said:

If you’ve decided to be vegan then just go about your life being vegan.

Why does everyone who’s gone vegan feel the need to bleat on about it to the point of preaching.

I think it's generally you get a hard time from the meat eaters and hence spend a lot of time trying to explain your position... Years of being a vegetarian is a pain when you just want to get on with your life without having to explain your choices about food!

Same as people blocking electric car chargers... Just the establishlished norm bucking against change maybe?

[TheDeuce]

RemarkLima said:

I think it's generally you get a hard time from the meat eaters and hence spend a lot of time trying to explain your position... Years of being a vegetarian is a pain when you just want to get on with your life without having to explain your choices about food!

Same as people blocking electric car chargers... Just the establishlished norm bucking against change maybe?

I have no reaction to Vegetarians/Vegans until they state that something like a cottage pie is 'just as good' if it doesn't contain meat. Which is nonsense - a cottage pie is a recipe arrived at based upon a combination of ingredients. If those ingredients didn't contain meat, then a recipe just as good could be arrived at, but it wouldn't be the same recipe. The ingredients have to lead to the creation of a classic dish - you can't reverse engineer the same dish and swap out the key elements. That is not craftsmanship, that is substitution, compromise.

When looking at vegetarian ingredients, I celebrate dishes such as nut roast stuffed marrow, delicious! Everything from texture to taste to presentation in such a dish is a perfect celebration of vegetarian food.

A facsimile dish however is compromised by nature. The potato topping on a veggie cottage pie can never be as wonderful if it's meat free - the fats in the meat won't rise and combine with the potato topping and give it a fondant finish - because there is no meat, no fat. If there hadn't been a meat cottage pie in the first place, I doubt very much a vegetarian chef would have decided such a dish was the ideal use for veg.

I eat a lot of veggie food, I have to - at photo-shoots I work on these days there is frequently no meat, and most stuff is vegan. I love proper food and that doesn't require meat. It does require passion though. Passion creates... it doesn't need to copy.

The most successful vegetarian and vegan restaurants are celebrated, they are impressive. But you won't find facsimile dishes on offer. Highly processed veggie meat substitutes will never be the cornerstone of a meat-free revolution. If you wanna cook with veg, it has to be done with as much passion and care as those of us would garner on cooking the perfect steak. Real, basic ingredients handled properly and bought together to make a dish that relies upon it's ingredients and the combination of those ingredients. Not a dish that relies upon some similarity to the dish you really want to eat if you didn't feel guilty about it.