Lewis Hamilton
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Deesee said:
E34-3.2 said:
Not sure if I remember rightly but isn't it Prost the only driver to not be world champion in 88 or 89 despite having more points than Senna?
Only the best 11 (I think) results counted.. so worst 5/6 got scrubbed out.Prost lost in 1988 despite earning more points overall than Senna, but he had to give away more points. In 1989 Prost scored more points and won the championship too.
Those are the only two I can think of.
kiseca said:
Retiring is also a result. It's a team sport. Whether the driver stuffs it or the car does, the result is the same. Rosberg didn't sit on his ass at home drinking beer while Hamilton's car tripped up and threw the championship into Rosberg's lap. He was out there, with his car, winning races, finishing others, getting more points than anyone else did.
Every single season would look different if you ignored all the retirements. Even the seasons where the best 11 results counted, were still affected by retirements. The driver who has the most points at the end wins. In 2016, that was Rosberg.
There are no prizes for best results for finished races only. No championship award for the driver with the most wins in a season. Championships are decided on points, and to have a chance of getting points, you have to finish the race.
OK, I understand where you are coming from, so I will amend my statement to say 'In the races only attributable to driver skill, that is, removing reliability from the equation, Hamilton scored more points per race than Rosberg. I am not saying Rosberg did not deserve the WDC, he did since he scored most points, however, you must admit he needed a very large dose of luck as well.Every single season would look different if you ignored all the retirements. Even the seasons where the best 11 results counted, were still affected by retirements. The driver who has the most points at the end wins. In 2016, that was Rosberg.
There are no prizes for best results for finished races only. No championship award for the driver with the most wins in a season. Championships are decided on points, and to have a chance of getting points, you have to finish the race.
Edited by kiseca on Friday 27th September 10:46
KevinCamaroSS said:
kiseca said:
Retiring is also a result. It's a team sport. Whether the driver stuffs it or the car does, the result is the same. Rosberg didn't sit on his ass at home drinking beer while Hamilton's car tripped up and threw the championship into Rosberg's lap. He was out there, with his car, winning races, finishing others, getting more points than anyone else did.
Every single season would look different if you ignored all the retirements. Even the seasons where the best 11 results counted, were still affected by retirements. The driver who has the most points at the end wins. In 2016, that was Rosberg.
There are no prizes for best results for finished races only. No championship award for the driver with the most wins in a season. Championships are decided on points, and to have a chance of getting points, you have to finish the race.
OK, I understand where you are coming from, so I will amend my statement to say 'In the races only attributable to driver skill, that is, removing reliability from the equation, Hamilton scored more points per race than Rosberg. I am not saying Rosberg did not deserve the WDC, he did since he scored most points, however, you must admit he needed a very large dose of luck as well.Every single season would look different if you ignored all the retirements. Even the seasons where the best 11 results counted, were still affected by retirements. The driver who has the most points at the end wins. In 2016, that was Rosberg.
There are no prizes for best results for finished races only. No championship award for the driver with the most wins in a season. Championships are decided on points, and to have a chance of getting points, you have to finish the race.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 27th September 10:46
KevinCamaroSS said:
OK, I understand where you are coming from, so I will amend my statement to say 'In the races only attributable to driver skill, that is, removing reliability from the equation, Hamilton scored more points per race than Rosberg. I am not saying Rosberg did not deserve the WDC, he did since he scored most points, however, you must admit he needed a very large dose of luck as well.
Yep, he had a season where everything came right and gave him an opportunity to beat an opponent who generally had the better of him, but Rosberg was also close enough to make it count, too.There was some good fortune but I think there always is. And if a driver has done enough to take advantage of someone else's bad luck, they can earn themselves an unlikely championship. Like Prost in '86.
RB Will said:
The way you guys go on about Rosberg lucking into the championship because of Hamilton’s unreliability made me check up on it. He had 1 more retirement. I was expecting 3-4!
IIRC, there were a number of reliability issues on Hamilton's car that didn't necessarily take him out of a race but hindered his progress and performance in them. They also swapped the pit crews around which I think unsettled things a bit. None of this should take anything away from Rosberg's achievement of course but the playing field wasn't quite as even as it could have been.StevieBee said:
IIRC, there were a number of reliability issues on Hamilton's car that didn't necessarily take him out of a race but hindered his progress and performance in them. They also swapped the pit crews around which I think unsettled things a bit. None of this should take anything away from Rosberg's achievement of course but the playing field wasn't quite as even as it could have been.
Collision in Bahrain dropped him back but not a retirement, Turbo failure in Russia similar. Baku was settings problems. Belgium 55 grid places! For new power units, Singapore brake issues Malaysia was an engine failure from the lead, It was 11-6 on races where neither had a problem. RB Will said:
The way you guys go on about Rosberg lucking into the championship because of Hamilton’s unreliability made me check up on it. He had 1 more retirement. I was expecting 3-4!
Unreliable isn’t just retirements... 
What others are ‘going on about’ is true. Don’t read it here though, it’s all out there if you want to read it for yourself. Incidentally, that one retirement, losing an engine whilst well in the lead and most of the race done... Lewis wins that race and he’d be a 6xWDC today.
Take nothing away from Rosberg though. All drivers and champions have experienced good and bad luck and Nico was there to benefit, he did what he had to do, everything he could to beat Lewis. Fair play to him.
What frustrated Lewis (I believe) wasn’t so much being beaten by Nico but with whatever the problems were with the car, not having the car to defend/fight against Nico’s challenge. That’s my view anyway.
And worth pointing out (and I have no dog in this fight) that Bottas hasn't got anywhere near as close to Hamilton throughout a season as Rosberg did in order to capitalise, or even to avoid being the de facto number 2 simply on the basis of his pace, performances, points scored etc.
Rosberg wasn't as quick as Hamilton, no. But he sure as s
t was better than Bottas has been.
Rosberg wasn't as quick as Hamilton, no. But he sure as s
t was better than Bottas has been.RB Will said:
The way you guys go on about Rosberg lucking into the championship because of Hamilton’s unreliability made me check up on it. He had 1 more retirement. I was expecting 3-4!
everyone needs an element of 'luck' in a tight battle to win a WDC ...& no one has ever said Nico wasn't close to Hamilton (only you- in your head)& to back up how good Nico was, look at the drubbing he gave Schumi 2.0 (Schumi fans- hush your noise
)cuprabob said:
In defence of Bottas, I think Lewis has matured over recent years and is driving much better than he was when partnered with Nico. Whether that's a consequence of a less stressful environment, I don't know.
It could be recency bias but it feels/seems that Lewis has shifted focus to getting a really strong race setup at the expense of 1 lap quali pace. He can still stick it on pole but would rather have a strong race car. HighwayStar said:
Bo_apex said:
Lewis is very upbeat when the Mercedes is top dog. Gets very jittery and full of superlatives when another car is within range.
Aside from Bottas ofcourse
All he’s said is it’s going to be very difficult for Merc to win any of the remaining 6 races. Just saying it as he sees it, hardly jittery imo.Aside from Bottas ofcourse
Mercedes remains the best car over race distance, and Lewis knows it.
isaldiri said:
paulguitar said:
Absolute nonsense. It's only because Hamilton is one of the drivers that it has any chance at all.
Why is bottas 2nd in the WDC then........? Have you not been watching the whole season?
paulguitar said:
isaldiri said:
paulguitar said:
Absolute nonsense. It's only because Hamilton is one of the drivers that it has any chance at all.
Why is bottas 2nd in the WDC then........? Have you not been watching the whole season?
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