Lewis Hamilton
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37chevy said:
Wow....well you’re charming aren’t you....
Il say again....caring about the environment and taking part in activities that pollute the world aren’t mutually exclusive.
I love Motorsport, but I also love the environment
You can enjoy and take part in Motorsport but also make life changes that help to improve the situation....it’s not hypocritical, it’s doing what you can to make the world more efficient and reduce waste...there’s nothing wrong in doing that or trying to persuade others to do it.
I do agree with all that. But to get back to the original point - Lewis's and other public figures spreading their fear about the planet imploding... Il say again....caring about the environment and taking part in activities that pollute the world aren’t mutually exclusive.
I love Motorsport, but I also love the environment
You can enjoy and take part in Motorsport but also make life changes that help to improve the situation....it’s not hypocritical, it’s doing what you can to make the world more efficient and reduce waste...there’s nothing wrong in doing that or trying to persuade others to do it.
I get the fear but it's not something fixed by being better human beings. This planet is only so stable, it will change with/without our help and we could be at risk. It's fear over and above logic for the most part to demand change to solve the problem. All we can ever do is shift the problem backwards or forwards slightly.
Also, this planet and the environment will be perfectly fine no matter what happens. It just might not support us any more. It's all entitlement issues at the end of the day - no wonder so many celebs have jumped on the band-wagon.
REALIST123 said:
Oh, do f
k off. None of us, individually, contribute in anything but a ‘tiny’ way.
He directly contributes far more than most; he might have given up his private jet but he’s not cycling around the world is he? He’s still, quite needlessly, burning 100s of kilos of the finest 5* every other weekend too.
He just like the rest of the so called environmentalists, a hypocrite. Though he’s definitely of the first order.
He’s already won 5 championships and lots of races. Enough to seal his place in history. If he’s at all serious in what he says he’d stop right now.
I suspect the truth is that he’d like everyone else to stop enjoying life so he can fret a little less about the planet.
k off. None of us, individually, contribute in anything but a ‘tiny’ way. He directly contributes far more than most; he might have given up his private jet but he’s not cycling around the world is he? He’s still, quite needlessly, burning 100s of kilos of the finest 5* every other weekend too.
He just like the rest of the so called environmentalists, a hypocrite. Though he’s definitely of the first order.
He’s already won 5 championships and lots of races. Enough to seal his place in history. If he’s at all serious in what he says he’d stop right now.
I suspect the truth is that he’d like everyone else to stop enjoying life so he can fret a little less about the planet.
Triggered PH poster in ‘losing it’ plot.
Try to calm down a tad and understand that by just shouting ‘hypocrite’ at anyone with a point doesn’t make the point null and void; for a start. On top of that; it’s true that what is on one’s plate is actually more important than what one drives and so Lewis is a much a hypocrite as anyone... seeing as though we all impact our environment, by our mere existence.
But using his giant platform to speak about a subject he genuinely cares about, upsets you how?
Also, his vegan diet isn’t just about environment; there’s a selfish angle ... he states that his performance as an athlete is now better. Add to that; he’s an animal lover... so all roads lead to plant based.
Not sure why your knickers are in such a twist.
TheDeuce said:
I do agree with all that. But to get back to the original point - Lewis's and other public figures spreading their fear about the planet imploding...
I get the fear but it's not something fixed by being better human beings. This planet is only so stable, it will change with/without our help and we could be at risk. It's fear over and above logic for the most part to demand change to solve the problem. All we can ever do is shift the problem backwards or forwards slightly.
Also, this planet and the environment will be perfectly fine no matter what happens. It just might not support us any more. It's all entitlement issues at the end of the day - no wonder so many celebs have jumped on the band-wagon.
I don’t disagree....there is a huge amount of hysteria around at the moment....just look at Extinction rebellion....unfortunately the world has become about who shouts the loudest these days.I get the fear but it's not something fixed by being better human beings. This planet is only so stable, it will change with/without our help and we could be at risk. It's fear over and above logic for the most part to demand change to solve the problem. All we can ever do is shift the problem backwards or forwards slightly.
Also, this planet and the environment will be perfectly fine no matter what happens. It just might not support us any more. It's all entitlement issues at the end of the day - no wonder so many celebs have jumped on the band-wagon.
Let’s be honest though, Lewis hasn’t done any of that....if you look at any of the interviews or social media posts so far, it’s all about him making personal life choices to try and be more respnsible, and fair play to him for doing so...
...I’ve not seen him trying to convert anyone, spread fear about the planet imploding...
37chevy said:
I don’t disagree....there is a huge amount of hysteria around at the moment....just look at Extinction rebellion....unfortunately the world has become about who shouts the loudest these days.
Let’s be honest though, Lewis hasn’t done any of that....if you look at any of the interviews or social media posts so far, it’s all about him making personal life choices to try and be more respnsible, and fair play to him for doing so...
...I’ve not seen him trying to convert anyone, spread fear about the planet imploding...
Just look at the above posted insta from him. Talking about not people not giving a fLet’s be honest though, Lewis hasn’t done any of that....if you look at any of the interviews or social media posts so far, it’s all about him making personal life choices to try and be more respnsible, and fair play to him for doing so...
...I’ve not seen him trying to convert anyone, spread fear about the planet imploding...
k about our planet.. That little gem went out to all the fans who follow him, it's him using his status to influence.I don't think he shouldn't care, that's his business. And if he wants to share his feelings then fair enough. He should be wary of the difference between encouraging healthy behavior and spreading illogical fears though. Even if he can't help but have illogical fears himself.
TheDeuce said:
Just look at the above posted insta from him. Talking about not people not giving a fk about our planet.. That little gem went out to all the fans who follow him, it's him using his status to influence.
I don't think he shouldn't care, that's his business. And if he wants to share his feelings then fair enough. He should be wary of the difference between encouraging healthy behavior and spreading illogical fears though. Even if he can't help but have illogical fears himself.
Don’t see an issue with the post.k about our planet.. That little gem went out to all the fans who follow him, it's him using his status to influence.I don't think he shouldn't care, that's his business. And if he wants to share his feelings then fair enough. He should be wary of the difference between encouraging healthy behavior and spreading illogical fears though. Even if he can't help but have illogical fears himself.
The world is a mess
People don’t care
Its entirely correct, not sensationalist And is spot on in many ways, whether it’s about the environment, animal welfare, rainforests in Brazil, racism, Syria etc....
Surely you’re not going to try and tell me that the world isn’t a mess right now, and a lot of people don’t care?
37chevy said:
Don’t see an issue with the post.
The world is a mess
People don’t care
Its entirely correct, not sensationalist And is spot on in many ways, whether it’s about the environment, animal welfare, rainforests in Brazil, racism, Syria etc....
Surely you’re not going to try and tell me that the world isn’t a mess right now, and a lot of people don’t care?
More people than ever care - hence it's a good time for public figures to show they care.The world is a mess
People don’t care
Its entirely correct, not sensationalist And is spot on in many ways, whether it’s about the environment, animal welfare, rainforests in Brazil, racism, Syria etc....
Surely you’re not going to try and tell me that the world isn’t a mess right now, and a lot of people don’t care?
Since human civilization began, up to today, the world is currently in less of a mess than it has been in regard to all you mention - with the exception of global warming which is generally beyond our influence anyway. For the sake of Syria, that's absolutely abhorrent but such abhorrence used to occur far more often in our species past.
The world, in terms of human society, minus a few peaks and troughs has generally gotten better over time. Because we do care. Because we care, also over time we become more sensitive and aware of what is still wrong. The fact that we're more worried than ever today does not mean the world has actually become worse.
Edited by TheDeuce on Tuesday 15th October 23:26
TheDeuce said:
37chevy said:
Don’t see an issue with the post.
The world is a mess
People don’t care
Its entirely correct, not sensationalist And is spot on in many ways, whether it’s about the environment, animal welfare, rainforests in Brazil, racism, Syria etc....
Surely you’re not going to try and tell me that the world isn’t a mess right now, and a lot of people don’t care?
More people than ever care - hence it's a good time for public figures to show they care.The world is a mess
People don’t care
Its entirely correct, not sensationalist And is spot on in many ways, whether it’s about the environment, animal welfare, rainforests in Brazil, racism, Syria etc....
Surely you’re not going to try and tell me that the world isn’t a mess right now, and a lot of people don’t care?
Since human civilization began, up to today, the world is currently in less of a mess than it has been in regard to all you mention - with the exception of global warming which is generally beyond our influence anyway. For the sake of Syria, that's absolutely abhorrent but such abhorrence used to occur far more often in our species past.
The world, in terms of human society, minus a few peaks and troughs has generally gotten better over time. Because we do care. Because we care, also over time we become more sensitive and aware of what is still wrong. The fact that we're more worried than ever today does not means the world has actually become worse.
Case in point; a lot of those that attend the environmental marches are not vegan / eating plant based; they should put their money where their mouth is, literally. In fact, more often than not, the people calling them out are the vegan activists, pointing out their hypocrisy.
I don’t follow Hamilton on social media but I was told he put up footage from slaughter houses and the like; asking how people feel, contributing to these acts. A fair question to pose to millions of followers, I thought. Not often a world famous sporting icon will put up a video of a cow being hacked apart. He’s certainly out there.
vdn said:
I know many people that couldn’t care any less about the issues we’ve spoken about here. And plenty more that say that they care / talk about the issues, but do sweet FA regard any changes or even acknowledgement of personal responsibility. Easier to shout ‘hypocrite’ from the sidelines it seems, whilst making no changes at all.
Case in point; a lot of those that attend the environmental marches are not vegan / eating plant based; they should put their money where their mouth is, literally. In fact, more often than not, the people calling them out are the vegan activists, pointing out their hypocrisy.
I don’t follow Hamilton on social media but I was told he put up footage from slaughter houses and the like; asking how people feel, contributing to these acts. A fair question to pose to millions of followers, I thought. Not often a world famous sporting icon will put up a video of a cow being hacked apart. He’s certainly out there.
As I said, the fact is that more people than ever care. The more we care, the more we think and the more we uncover to care and worry about. It's all perfectly normal.Case in point; a lot of those that attend the environmental marches are not vegan / eating plant based; they should put their money where their mouth is, literally. In fact, more often than not, the people calling them out are the vegan activists, pointing out their hypocrisy.
I don’t follow Hamilton on social media but I was told he put up footage from slaughter houses and the like; asking how people feel, contributing to these acts. A fair question to pose to millions of followers, I thought. Not often a world famous sporting icon will put up a video of a cow being hacked apart. He’s certainly out there.
I think getting a balance on it all requires a great deal of honesty about what it is to be human - including our limitations and fears. We're more scared as we discover how unpredictable and defenseless our future could be. That has nothing to do with immediate changes we could make to our habits and our care of our environment - an environment we specifically care for only so much as we happen to depend on it's current state.
Eat what makes you feel and perform best - I agree with Lewis on that front 100%. I also agree that the people marching for climate change are largely not living what they preach. The problem being that, as I keep saying, they're acting out of fear at recent discoveries - not logic. They're doing 'something' because it feels right to them, even if it's the equivalent of spreading panic during an emergency. Perfectly human.
HustleRussell said:
TheDeuce said:
Also, this planet and the environment will be perfectly fine no matter what happens. It just might not support us any more.
Oh yeah, thanks for reminding me that Human are the only species that matter!TheDeuce said:
vdn said:
I know many people that couldn’t care any less about the issues we’ve spoken about here. And plenty more that say that they care / talk about the issues, but do sweet FA regard any changes or even acknowledgement of personal responsibility. Easier to shout ‘hypocrite’ from the sidelines it seems, whilst making no changes at all.
Case in point; a lot of those that attend the environmental marches are not vegan / eating plant based; they should put their money where their mouth is, literally. In fact, more often than not, the people calling them out are the vegan activists, pointing out their hypocrisy.
I don’t follow Hamilton on social media but I was told he put up footage from slaughter houses and the like; asking how people feel, contributing to these acts. A fair question to pose to millions of followers, I thought. Not often a world famous sporting icon will put up a video of a cow being hacked apart. He’s certainly out there.
As I said, the fact is that more people than ever care. The more we care, the more we think and the more we uncover to care and worry about. It's all perfectly normal.Case in point; a lot of those that attend the environmental marches are not vegan / eating plant based; they should put their money where their mouth is, literally. In fact, more often than not, the people calling them out are the vegan activists, pointing out their hypocrisy.
I don’t follow Hamilton on social media but I was told he put up footage from slaughter houses and the like; asking how people feel, contributing to these acts. A fair question to pose to millions of followers, I thought. Not often a world famous sporting icon will put up a video of a cow being hacked apart. He’s certainly out there.
I think getting a balance on it all requires a great deal of honesty about what it is to be human - including our limitations and fears. We're more scared as we discover how unpredictable and defenseless our future could be. That has nothing to do with immediate changes we could make to our habits and our care of our environment - an environment we specifically care for only so much as we happen to depend on it's current state.
Eat what makes you feel and perform best - I agree with Lewis on that front 100%. I also agree that the people marching for climate change are largely not living what they preach. The problem being that, as I keep saying, they're acting out of fear at recent discoveries - not logic. They're doing 'something' because it feels right to them, even if it's the equivalent of spreading panic during an emergency. Perfectly human.
mean more care and more aren’t bothered. Both could be true.
Fact is; marching on a subject is great but not when you’re not practicing what you preach; and screaming ‘hypocrite’ from the sidelines, in some way alleviating one’s own responsibility is also wide of the mark. I think we can agree.
vdn said:
I agree with your over arching view but not that more people care than ever; more people might say they do. Fact is, no way of knowing; and it’s relative; more people full stop; could
mean more care and more aren’t bothered. Both could be true.
Fact is; marching on a subject is great but not when you’re not practicing what you preach; and screaming ‘hypocrite’ from the sidelines, in some way alleviating one’s own responsibility is also wide of the mark. I think we can agree.
Well that's basically it. The more people know, the more will start to care. Our advancement means we know more than ever, and that knowledge is spread quicker than ever. No wonder people are pulling on the brown trousers.mean more care and more aren’t bothered. Both could be true.
Fact is; marching on a subject is great but not when you’re not practicing what you preach; and screaming ‘hypocrite’ from the sidelines, in some way alleviating one’s own responsibility is also wide of the mark. I think we can agree.
I don't think Lewis is a hypocrite. I think he happens to fall into the 'do something' because you can camp - and due to his status him doing something, anything... Is influecial. I fall into the 'this was always how it would play out' camp.
I'm probably a little more logical and less impulsive when it comes to the complexity of modern life and what we start to understand about cause and effect than Lewis. But that's fine, he's probably a better F1 driver than I am
vdn said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Hamilton is such a prick.
Great driver, hope he gets every record going but he's such a prick.
He probably gets through 10 sets of tyres a weekend and 1000's of litres of fuel but I've got to go vegan.
fk off you bellend.
Hashtag triggered.Great driver, hope he gets every record going but he's such a prick.
He probably gets through 10 sets of tyres a weekend and 1000's of litres of fuel but I've got to go vegan.
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k off you bellend. 
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