Lewis Hamilton
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paulguitar said:
TarquinMX5 said:
his ability to drive, at which he's probably 'above average'
You are opening yourself up to a fair bit of ridicule posting something like that here where a lot of people are quite well informed about F1.eccles said:
paulguitar said:
eccles said:
And you're opening up yourself to ridicule with a reply like that!
Why is that?TarquinMX5 said:
I haven't read the numerous posts on this thread but it's rather amusing to see a person who earns (if that's the right word) quite a few pounds each year by driving a good car round and around a circuit (for what purpose? - it's hardly necessary for anything I can think of, other than providing leisure-viewing for a few people), travels by private jet, helicopter or large-engined car, trying to lecture others how to behave to 'save the planet'. No doubt his employers also saw the disconnect.
With the greatest of respect to his ability to drive, at which he's probably 'above average' (difficult to know for sure as he has access to better-than-average cars), it's a bit rich trying to tell others 'to save the planet'.
The problem with these people who fancy themselves as 'influencers' is that many of them often adopt a 'do as I say, not as I do' attitude. Reminds me of that group of people who call themselves politicians.
Am I right in thinking that this car-driver who says we should all go vegan has a financial interest in a vegan restaurant chain? Hmmmm.
Perhaps he should concentrate on driving.
With the greatest of respect to his ability to drive, at which he's probably 'above average' (difficult to know for sure as he has access to better-than-average cars), it's a bit rich trying to tell others 'to save the planet'.
The problem with these people who fancy themselves as 'influencers' is that many of them often adopt a 'do as I say, not as I do' attitude. Reminds me of that group of people who call themselves politicians.
Am I right in thinking that this car-driver who says we should all go vegan has a financial interest in a vegan restaurant chain? Hmmmm.
Perhaps he should concentrate on driving.
PH never ceases to amaze, or deliver!
I'll start by saying I've not read the whole thread and this point may have been made already.
My opinion of Lewis would be much much higher if he proclaimed his conversion to Veganism was to stop animal cruelty rather that saving the planet.
But even then it wouldn't stop him being a pompous arse.
My opinion of Lewis would be much much higher if he proclaimed his conversion to Veganism was to stop animal cruelty rather that saving the planet.
But even then it wouldn't stop him being a pompous arse.
anonymous said:
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You’ve no evidence to the contrary... so the whole discussion is null and void. You brought it up though; a reflection of your intelligence levels: “I assert x but cannot prove it; you assert y, and must prove it.”
You’re a generic thinker; a muppet some might say.
anonymous said:
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Charities including environmental charities, political parties, lobbyists, the BMA, unions, government departments, safety groups, campaigns (like stop smoking, drinking, using drugs, obesity) etc etc. Plus, many of the changes he advocates are buying choices. Edited by Graveworm on Sunday 20th October 12:14
Well I am about to sit down to my Sunday roast,, locally sourced and fed on lot's of carbon dioxide inhaling Scottish grassland. I have not watched a boring grand prix for years and wont feel guilty at all as I will have done much less harm to the environment than some overpaid spoilt brat that's tucking into his almond milk that has used 1000's of litres of water to grow and been flown half way round the world although not by private jet like Lewis!
TBH I think all this nonsense is simply a function of our access to social media.
30 years ago you'd need to really be into your cause to become associated with it. If Mansell or Prost were vegetarians, environmentalists or religious you'd never know unless they mentioned it on TV or maybe if they put in a huge effort to drop it into every interview- seriously I don't know their positions on anything!
Wheras these days I know that Lando Norris likes milk, FFS!
So Lewis having an internet sigh about the world being a bit fked up is nothing loads of others don't do. But now we can all pile in with our opinions on his opinions without any sense of awareness that we are doing the exact same thing- venting our thoughts into a mobile phone for strangers to read.
30 years ago you'd need to really be into your cause to become associated with it. If Mansell or Prost were vegetarians, environmentalists or religious you'd never know unless they mentioned it on TV or maybe if they put in a huge effort to drop it into every interview- seriously I don't know their positions on anything!
Wheras these days I know that Lando Norris likes milk, FFS!
So Lewis having an internet sigh about the world being a bit fked up is nothing loads of others don't do. But now we can all pile in with our opinions on his opinions without any sense of awareness that we are doing the exact same thing- venting our thoughts into a mobile phone for strangers to read.
Vergne is full of praise for Hamilton and his stand: https://www.planetf1.com/news/vergne-wants-hamilto...
E34-3.2 said:
Vergne is full of praise for Hamilton and his stand: https://www.planetf1.com/news/vergne-wants-hamilto...
Ha. Like it, but I suspect Lewis won't take him up on his offer.E34-3.2 said:
768 said:
Ha. Like it, but I suspect Lewis won't take him up on his offer.
Well, Lewis mentioned formula e not long ago. Why not? stichill99 said:
Well I am about to sit down to my Sunday roast,, locally sourced and fed on lot's of carbon dioxide inhaling Scottish grassland. I have not watched a boring grand prix for years and wont feel guilty at all as I will have done much less harm to the environment than some overpaid spoilt brat that's tucking into his almond milk that has used 1000's of litres of water to grow and been flown half way round the world although not by private jet like Lewis!
They do take all that into account when they calculate the environmental impact of food. Obviously you're right that British beef is much better than Brazilian beef for example but I think, on average, red meat protein produces around 30 times the greenhouse gasses as the same amount of vegetable protein.anonymous said:
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Burden of proof ey? This isn’t CSI. But let’s be clear; people respond to Hamilton’s / any sportspersons posts with both positive and negative reactions. In Hamilton’s case; there are people saying they’ve gone vegan or donated to charities, having seen the posts. But that’s not enough for you. Fact is, you don’t want to believe sportspeople have influence like that. Sorry but, they do.
As for burden of proof; outside of a legal framework; the burden of proof is with all parties. From your own link: “Burden of proof is an important concept in the public arena of ideas. Once participants in discourse establish common assumptions, the mechanism of burden of proof helps to ensure that all parties contribute productively, using relevant arguments“.
You won’t though... because you can’t.
Checkmate
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