Lewis Hamilton
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Mr_Thyroid said:
They do take all that into account when they calculate the environmental impact of food. Obviously you're right that British beef is much better than Brazilian beef for example but I think, on average, red meat protein produces around 30 times the greenhouse gasses as the same amount of vegetable protein.
1 Human person = 30 Vegans? DS240 said:
I’d find it really sad if someone actually made a personal lifestyle change/decision based on a tweet from Lewis Hamilton.
I doubt anyone would based on a single tweet but it certainly could make someone look into the whole issue in some more detail and change their ways. After all advertising has worked for centuries and a tweet is no different to an advert really.
Mr_Thyroid said:
They do take all that into account when they calculate the environmental impact of food. Obviously you're right that British beef is much better than Brazilian beef for example but I think, on average, red meat protein produces around 30 times the greenhouse gasses as the same amount of vegetable protein.
I do find myself thinking 'so what?'. Cows and plants are natural living things. The Earth's population of millions, if not billions, of species has ebbed and flowed with various consequences since life on the planet formed. By all means cut down on the creation of 'synthetic' pollution as best we can, however if we're all supposed to become vegetarian to save the planet, you can sod off.
DS240 said:
I’d find it really sad if someone actually made a personal lifestyle change/decision based on a tweet from Lewis Hamilton.
Have to agree, however there's no getting away from the fact that companies and brands pay millions per year to many sports people, actors, and what classes as a celebrity these days. They don't do that for nothing, and will be justifying the exposure with a financial return that they're able to calculate and be more than happy withjanesmith1950 said:
do find myself thinking 'so what?'. Cows and plants are natural living things. The Earth's population of millions, if not billions, of species has ebbed and flowed with various consequences since life on the planet formed.
By all means cut down on the creation of 'synthetic' pollution as best we can, however if we're all supposed to become vegetarian to save the planet, you can sod off.
So you think the amount of meat animals we have would exist if nature was allowed to run it's course and balance the populations? Not to mention that they are pumped full of growth hormones and anti-biotics to grow faster, consume more food and produce more waste (and emissions) than anything natural. Plus the years of controlled breeding to get animals with the maximum meat content to growth rate balance.By all means cut down on the creation of 'synthetic' pollution as best we can, however if we're all supposed to become vegetarian to save the planet, you can sod off.
Kraken said:
So you think the amount of meat animals we have would exist if nature was allowed to run it's course and balance the populations? Not to mention that they are pumped full of growth hormones and anti-biotics to grow faster, consume more food and produce more waste (and emissions) than anything natural. Plus the years of controlled breeding to get animals with the maximum meat content to growth rate balance.
The population growth and demise of species based on that of others has happened throughout the existence of the planet.There comes a point where the obsession about controlling the Earth goes from being reasonable, necessary and proportionate to unreasonable, unnecessary and disproportionate.
The Poles have warmed and cooled and the Earth reinvented itself many times over before we ever existed. That doesn't mean we should wilfully harm our environment, though nor does it mean we should aim to eradicate anything and everything that might change it. It is designed to change and we should accept it.
As humans we've evolved to eat a mixed diet and that's what we should do. I don't feel one ounce of guilt for wanting to and enjoying eating meat and nor should I. I am not unduly damaging the planet by doing so.
As a species we do seem particularly arrogant over our 'ownership' of the planet we live on.
Separately, Lewis Hamilton will already have contributed thousands of times more pollutant in his lifetime by his jetting around the world, than I ever will in mine. Like many, many of those who espouse planetary virtuous living, he lives the humble life of a millionaire jetsetting hypocrite. Just stick to the day job Lewis and stop moralising at me like a year 10 student whose just done a coursework module in Geography.
janesmith1950 said:
The population growth and demise of species based on that of others has happened throughout the existence of the planet.
There comes a point where the obsession about controlling the Earth goes from being reasonable, necessary and proportionate to unreasonable, unnecessary and disproportionate.
The Poles have warmed and cooled and the Earth reinvented itself many times over before we ever existed. That doesn't mean we should wilfully harm our environment, though nor does it mean we should aim to eradicate anything and everything that might change it. It is designed to change and we should accept it.
As humans we've evolved to eat a mixed diet and that's what we should do. I don't feel one ounce of guilt for wanting to and enjoying eating meat and nor should I. I am not unduly damaging the planet by doing so.
As a species we do seem particularly arrogant over our 'ownership' of the planet we live on.
Separately, Lewis Hamilton will already have contributed thousands of times more pollutant in his lifetime by his jetting around the world, than I ever will in mine. Like many, many of those who espouse planetary virtuous living, he lives the humble life of a millionaire jetsetting hypocrite. Just stick to the day job Lewis and stop moralising at me like a year 10 student whose just done a coursework module in Geography.
A voice of reason in a sea of propaganda There comes a point where the obsession about controlling the Earth goes from being reasonable, necessary and proportionate to unreasonable, unnecessary and disproportionate.
The Poles have warmed and cooled and the Earth reinvented itself many times over before we ever existed. That doesn't mean we should wilfully harm our environment, though nor does it mean we should aim to eradicate anything and everything that might change it. It is designed to change and we should accept it.
As humans we've evolved to eat a mixed diet and that's what we should do. I don't feel one ounce of guilt for wanting to and enjoying eating meat and nor should I. I am not unduly damaging the planet by doing so.
As a species we do seem particularly arrogant over our 'ownership' of the planet we live on.
Separately, Lewis Hamilton will already have contributed thousands of times more pollutant in his lifetime by his jetting around the world, than I ever will in mine. Like many, many of those who espouse planetary virtuous living, he lives the humble life of a millionaire jetsetting hypocrite. Just stick to the day job Lewis and stop moralising at me like a year 10 student whose just done a coursework module in Geography.
Kenny Powers said:
[stop moralising at me like a year 10 student whose just done a coursework module in Geography.
That's at the heart of it to me: Lewis, like all top sports people, has led a sheltered upbringing, & hasn't really had the same life experiences as a person of a similar age. All this stuff is coming as a surprise, because he's been immersed in his own highly specialised world until recently. I'm not surprised it's affecting him quite deeply, & he has the platform to make his feelings felt. It doesn't make him any more or less of an expert, though, & I personally take as much notice as I would of my teenage nephews: interesting, but ultimately lacking in an appreciation of the wider picture, pretty much like I was at that age...Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff