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E34-3.2 said:
paua said:
A Prost didn't have any problem.
Prost didn't think much of Mansell from what I have read in the French press at the time.Prost used to speak Italian during the meetings with engineers and make last second changes on his car so Mansell didn't have a clue what was happening.
You think that after 11 races in 1990, Prost had 50 points, Nigel 13... Same as Alesi in a Tyrrell.
paua said:
E34-3.2 said:
paua said:
A Prost didn't have any problem.
Prost didn't think much of Mansell from what I have read in the French press at the time.Prost used to speak Italian during the meetings with engineers and make last second changes on his car so Mansell didn't have a clue what was happening.
You think that after 11 races in 1990, Prost had 50 points, Nigel 13... Same as Alesi in a Tyrrell.
Mansell was brave, for sure. He was quick too but not the quickest. Prost proved faster, I'm pretty sure Senna was faster than Prost, and Piquet seemed to have the measure of Mansell too.
He was incredibly brave, a fighter, exciting to watch, and he had stamina which helped him be quick over a full race distance I suppose, particularly before power steering became common and also in the FW14b in dealing with the high-for-the-time g-forces.
He was incredibly brave, a fighter, exciting to watch, and he had stamina which helped him be quick over a full race distance I suppose, particularly before power steering became common and also in the FW14b in dealing with the high-for-the-time g-forces.
I want to see hammy get a pole. I know he has a lot but I’ve never felt he was the best at poles. I remember schuey and he always seemed to pull it out in the final seconds and seemed ice cool. Like he’d go out for only 1 run in the closing seconds and get it done. I don’t feel it’s the same with Hamilton.
CoolHands said:
I want to see hammy get a pole. I know he has a lot but I’ve never felt he was the best at poles. I remember schuey and he always seemed to pull it out in the final seconds and seemed ice cool. Like he’d go out for only 1 run in the closing seconds and get it done. I don’t feel it’s the same with Hamilton.
Setting the car up for the race seems to be optimal for winning WDC this season. BigBen said:
swisstoni said:
I seem to remember absolutely appalling reliability on Nigel’s side of the Ferrari garage.
Yes, Nigels car broke a lot more than Prosts. A quote from Jo Ramirez (I think it was him) of McLaren, after the 1986 Australian GP. Prost won that race when Mansell had his spectacular tyre failure, Piquet was pitted to be safe, and Prost's teammate, Rosberg, retired from the lead with some kind of mechanical trouble.
The quote was that Keke's brakes were so worn that they didn't look like they'd have made it to the end of the race. Prost's look like they could still do a whole other race.
And swapping the cars, if you think that the guy on the other side of the same garage has a car that's better than the one they give you, as a three time world champion, are you going to just say oh lucky him and leave it?
kiseca said:
And swapping the cars, if you think that the guy on the other side of the same garage has a car that's better than the one they give you, as a three time world champion, are you going to just say oh lucky him and leave it?
Thats kind of the point, the team preferred Mansell, as Prost was too critical, even though the Semi Automatic gearbox only seemed to break on the Englishman's car, anyway Prost got sacked the following season, and ended up in Mansells seat, Mansell was very loved in Italy.CoolHands said:
I want to see hammy get a pole. I know he has a lot but I’ve never felt he was the best at poles. I remember schuey and he always seemed to pull it out in the final seconds and seemed ice cool. Like he’d go out for only 1 run in the closing seconds and get it done. I don’t feel it’s the same with Hamilton.
Lewis Starts to Poles 35%Schumi Starts to Poles 22%
EDIT, other notables..
Senna 40%
Seb Vettel 23%
Clark 45% !
Prost 16%
Mansell 16%
Mika 16%
Alonso 7%
Damon 16%
Stewart 17%
Moss 23%
Hunt 15%
Montoya 14%
Leclerc 18%
Edited by Deesee on Friday 15th November 10:49
Deesee said:
No not at all, insisted on No1 Status, and even took Nigels car at Silverstone, because he felt it had an advantage, when he started to blame the team, he was sacked.
Total nonsense, Ferrari team manager C.Fiorio actually commented on how N.Mansell made himself a number 2 driver by completely giving up when he saw how difficult it was to beat Prost. He couldn't be bothered to attend team meetings during race weekends and preferred to play golf. He actually only went to 2 meetings in 1990. Prost always made a point of having 2 good drivers in the team and though Mansell would be one of them... He was wrong despite Mansell being there before him.
He got Nigel's car at Silverstone as Nigel was already lost in the championship and lost interest with the team ( same than when he left Williams when teamed up with Piquet). He liked to blame teams and saying he was number 2 when essentially, he wasn't good enough against the very best.
Prost had a very difficult relation with C.Fiorio. I'll let you do some research about the reason why. It involve Senna...
CoolHands said:
paulguitar said:
CoolHands said:
I want to see hammy get a pole. I know he has a lot but I’ve never felt he was the best at poles.
He has the greatest number of poles of any driver in the history of F1.Not sure what the average is between them if you weight it
E34-3.2 said:
Prost had a very difficult relation with C.Fiorio. I'll let you do some research about the reason why. It involve Senna...
From my understanding Phillip Morris, were very happy having the two superstar drivers in different teams at that point in time, if anything Florio was the fall guy for that piece of almost history...Im sure the Prost quote was "drives like a truck' or something to that effect.
anyway
and lets get back to the champ! Deesee said:
From my understanding Phillip Morris, were very happy having the two superstar drivers in different teams at that point in time, if anything Florio was the fall guy for that piece of almost history...
Im sure the Prost quote was "drives like a truck' or something to that effect.
anyway and lets get back to the champ!
Indeed, Prost didn't Shew his words on that one! Im sure the Prost quote was "drives like a truck' or something to that effect.
anyway
and lets get back to the champ! 
Hopefully lewis on pole!
E34-3.2 said:
Deesee said:
From my understanding Phillip Morris, were very happy having the two superstar drivers in different teams at that point in time, if anything Florio was the fall guy for that piece of almost history...
Im sure the Prost quote was "drives like a truck' or something to that effect.
anyway and lets get back to the champ!
Indeed, Prost didn't Shew his words on that one! Im sure the Prost quote was "drives like a truck' or something to that effect.
anyway
and lets get back to the champ! Hopefully lewis on pole!
Deesee said:
CoolHands said:
I want to see hammy get a pole. I know he has a lot but I’ve never felt he was the best at poles. I remember schuey and he always seemed to pull it out in the final seconds and seemed ice cool. Like he’d go out for only 1 run in the closing seconds and get it done. I don’t feel it’s the same with Hamilton.
Lewis Starts to Poles 35%Schumi Starts to Poles 22%
EDIT, other notables..
Senna 40%
Seb Vettel 23%
Clark 45% !
Prost 16%
Mansell 16%
Mika 16%
Alonso 7%
Damon 16%
Stewart 17%
Moss 23%
Hunt 15%
Montoya 14%
Leclerc 18%
Edited by Deesee on Friday 15th November 10:49
Halmyre said:
If Lewis takes pole in the next consecutive 50 races he'll overtake Clark.
Unfortunately the longer you live and drive in f1 the more the stats are affected in terms of percentage. I’m not saying Clark wasn’t great, but you can’t just use percentage to define a driver...if that was the case, there are plenty of drivers greater than Clark who only competed a handful of times and got a 100% pole recordGassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff