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Muzzer79

3,814 posts

145 months

Monday 1st June
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REALIST123 said:
As for Hamilton, does he really think the personalities involved have any influence? Most of the world have no idea who they are.
Daniel Ricciardo has 1.8m Twitter followers

Max Verstappen has 1.1m followers

That's not small.



RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat

8,528 posts

53 months

Monday 1st June
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I don't see anything wrong with influential sports people speaking out. However I also don't have a problem with them choosing not to.

I can understand how Hamilton may feel in some way isolated as the only black driver in a sport with very few BAME people involved at all, however I don't think his criticism of the other drivers is fair.

Have a feeling this year we're going to see unsettled and emotional Hamilton.

DeltonaS

2,850 posts

96 months

Monday 1st June
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TheDeuce said:
I don't disagree with any of that.. but to imply people are racist just for not going out of their way to say the right thing is a bit strong imo.
It's typically Lil'Lewis.

Pathetic and melodramatic, trying to put himself on a pedestal, the moral high ground, over the back of his colleagues. Even making them suspect in the process.

Disingenuous opportunistic little man is what he is.


Jonesy23

4,650 posts

94 months

Monday 1st June
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RonaldMcDonaldAteMyCat said:
I can understand how Hamilton may feel in some way isolated as the only black driver in a sport with very few BAME people involved at all
Just out of interest, is anyone in the sport taking any initiative to do anything with this? I don't mean corporate efforts, I mean personal efforts around things like scholarships and sponsorships.

Just wondering if any of the concern extends beyond moaning about how terrible things are into spending actual cash money to change them.

768

7,221 posts

54 months

Monday 1st June
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Not very graceful from Lewis.

Kraken

1,539 posts

158 months

Monday 1st June
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Personally I really like the "modern" Lewis compared to the old corporate robot. I find myself agreeing with most of what he says these days and I can't help wondering how much longer he will be able to reconcile the odd world of F1 with his own beliefs.

Bo_apex

1,198 posts

176 months

Monday 1st June
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Hamilton would benefit from studying some history before judging his peers.

Unfortunately the US has always behaved like a Police state. Very trigger happy towards all citizens.


majordad

3,292 posts

155 months

Monday 1st June
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It’s biased because most of the crime is committed by Black Americans. This guy while not in any way deserving being killed was was not an Angel. At the same time I’m surprised the police Officer who was pictured kneeling on him , and the other officer , had fired their guns in lethal manner times before.

BrettMRC

1,777 posts

118 months

Monday 1st June
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He's a world champion, of course he is self centred!

Bo_apex

1,198 posts

176 months

Monday 1st June
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If you wish to focus on a selective part of US history then carry on.
Many of its biggest stars and highest earners are African Americans.

As you bring up the ethnicity element, what do you think about the way Mexicans are treated ?



Muzzer79

3,814 posts

145 months

Monday 1st June
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majordad said:
It’s biased because most of the crime is committed by Black Americans. This guy while not in any way deserving being killed was was not an Angel.
I'm assuming that you are a white male.

If most crime was committed by white males, would you be OK with being restrained by way of a knee to the neck on suspicion of using a counterfeit $20 note, when non-white males were not treated this way?


paulguitar

8,137 posts

71 months

Monday 1st June
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majordad said:
It’s biased because most of the crime is committed by Black Americans. This guy while not in any way deserving being killed was was not an Angel.
It's really very disappointing to read something like this.

F1GTRUeno

4,654 posts

176 months

Monday 1st June
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Respectfully, that's utter bks.

Durzel

9,190 posts

126 months

Monday 1st June
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What value do his F1 peers add by saying in unison "racism is really bad" ?

I get wanting people to speak out, but what does it add when they're stating the absolute obvious? The default position, I would assume and hope, is that all of the F1 drivers abhor systemic racism and want it gone. F1 drivers - white or not - don't strike me as a group of people who are remotely relevant in this, frankly.

What this movement needs is people in positions of power to make statements, and make real, substantial, lasting changes to the system. It ought to come down from the top but Trump is MIA. There is nothing to be gained whatsoever from random celebrities wading in telling us all that they're against racism. No st sherlock.

Muzzer79

3,814 posts

145 months

Monday 1st June
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Durzel said:
What value do his F1 peers add by saying in unison "racism is really bad" ?

I get wanting people to speak out, but what does it add when they're stating the absolute obvious? The default position, I would assume and hope, is that all of the F1 drivers abhor systemic racism and want it gone. F1 drivers - white or not - don't strike me as a group of people who are remotely relevant in this, frankly.

What this movement needs is people in positions of power to make statements, and make real, substantial, lasting changes to the system. It ought to come down from the top but Trump is MIA. There is nothing to be gained whatsoever from random celebrities wading in telling us all that they're against racism. No st sherlock.
The point is that clearly to some people, it's not absolutely obvious. To change that, it requires as many people as possible from all backgrounds to advocate the message.

Nampahc Niloc

484 posts

36 months

Monday 1st June
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F1GTRUeno said:
anonymous said:
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Respectfully, that's utter bks.
In what way? Personally I agree. It really annoys me when people try to shame others for not getting involved in certain campaigns, or not giving money to certain causes. There are plenty of causes out there, what makes this one more important. In fact this one is probably less important because it’s already getting global media attention.

longblackcoat

4,441 posts

141 months

Monday 1st June
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Nampahc Niloc said:
F1GTRUeno said:
anonymous said:
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Respectfully, that's utter bks.
In what way? Personally I agree. It really annoys me when people try to shame others for not getting involved in certain campaigns, or not giving money to certain causes. There are plenty of causes out there, what makes this one more important. In fact this one is probably less important because it’s already getting global media attention.
So get annoyed, that’s your right.

But by mentioning this Lewis has brought it to the attention of (at the very least) all of his social media followers, and he’s also stirred up commentary such as this thread. The more people who know what’s going on, the better.

I don’t agree with everything Lewis says, but I have to respect him for bothering to give a st rather than just sitting at home and counting his millions.

Rumblestripe

1,624 posts

120 months

Monday 1st June
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Nampahc Niloc said:
F1GTRUeno said:
anonymous said:
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Respectfully, that's utter bks.
In what way? Personally I agree. It really annoys me when people try to shame others for not getting involved in certain campaigns, or not giving money to certain causes. There are plenty of causes out there, what makes this one more important. In fact this one is probably less important because it’s already getting global media attention.
Well a major clue is use of the term "virtue signalling" an excuse from the alt-right playbook like "all lives matter". And then the rest of the sentence
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Actually makes no sense at all.

So yeah, "utter bks" covers it pretty well.

TheDeuce

7,318 posts

24 months

Monday 1st June
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longblackcoat said:
So get annoyed, that’s your right.

But by mentioning this Lewis has brought it to the attention of (at the very least) all of his social media followers, and he’s also stirred up commentary such as this thread. The more people who know what’s going on, the better.

I don’t agree with everything Lewis says, but I have to respect him for bothering to give a st rather than just sitting at home and counting his millions.
Sure, Lewis has done a good thing by talking about this. Good for him.

He didn't have to attempt to shame his fellow sports people though! Guilting people in to anything isn't good. It might sometimes be effective but it's not pleasant.

He goes too far when he's on a crusade. Which is fine, it's basically the same level of commitment he applies to his racing so it's not a bad thing. But in this instance, he's essentially told several thousand elite sports people around the globe that they're aholes because they haven't publicly commented on this specific incident confused

Sooner he's back in the car with only tyre deg to complain about, the better.

CoolHands

11,484 posts

153 months

Monday 1st June
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He’s spoken out about other issues in the past like plastic and animal welfare. Also we don’t know if behind the scenes he asked some people in the sport to speak out and they haven’t; which would then be a more deliberate act (for them) ie a choice.
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