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Nampahc Niloc

742 posts

41 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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F1GTRUeno said:
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Respectfully, that's utter bks.
In what way? Personally I agree. It really annoys me when people try to shame others for not getting involved in certain campaigns, or not giving money to certain causes. There are plenty of causes out there, what makes this one more important. In fact this one is probably less important because it’s already getting global media attention.

longblackcoat

4,457 posts

146 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Nampahc Niloc said:
F1GTRUeno said:
anonymous said:
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Respectfully, that's utter bks.
In what way? Personally I agree. It really annoys me when people try to shame others for not getting involved in certain campaigns, or not giving money to certain causes. There are plenty of causes out there, what makes this one more important. In fact this one is probably less important because it’s already getting global media attention.
So get annoyed, that’s your right.

But by mentioning this Lewis has brought it to the attention of (at the very least) all of his social media followers, and he’s also stirred up commentary such as this thread. The more people who know what’s going on, the better.

I don’t agree with everything Lewis says, but I have to respect him for bothering to give a st rather than just sitting at home and counting his millions.

Rumblestripe

1,740 posts

125 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Nampahc Niloc said:
F1GTRUeno said:
anonymous said:
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Respectfully, that's utter bks.
In what way? Personally I agree. It really annoys me when people try to shame others for not getting involved in certain campaigns, or not giving money to certain causes. There are plenty of causes out there, what makes this one more important. In fact this one is probably less important because it’s already getting global media attention.
Well a major clue is use of the term "virtue signalling" an excuse from the alt-right playbook like "all lives matter". And then the rest of the sentence
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Actually makes no sense at all.

So yeah, "utter bks" covers it pretty well.

TheDeuce

8,539 posts

29 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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longblackcoat said:
So get annoyed, that’s your right.

But by mentioning this Lewis has brought it to the attention of (at the very least) all of his social media followers, and he’s also stirred up commentary such as this thread. The more people who know what’s going on, the better.

I don’t agree with everything Lewis says, but I have to respect him for bothering to give a st rather than just sitting at home and counting his millions.
Sure, Lewis has done a good thing by talking about this. Good for him.

He didn't have to attempt to shame his fellow sports people though! Guilting people in to anything isn't good. It might sometimes be effective but it's not pleasant.

He goes too far when he's on a crusade. Which is fine, it's basically the same level of commitment he applies to his racing so it's not a bad thing. But in this instance, he's essentially told several thousand elite sports people around the globe that they're aholes because they haven't publicly commented on this specific incident confused

Sooner he's back in the car with only tyre deg to complain about, the better.

CoolHands

12,201 posts

158 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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He’s spoken out about other issues in the past like plastic and animal welfare. Also we don’t know if behind the scenes he asked some people in the sport to speak out and they haven’t; which would then be a more deliberate act (for them) ie a choice.

TheDeuce

8,539 posts

29 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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CoolHands said:
He’s spoken out about other issues in the past like plastic and animal welfare. Also we don’t know if behind the scenes he asked some people in the sport to speak out and they haven’t; which would then be a more deliberate act (for them) ie a choice.
Even if he has asked people, they have the right to choose not to do so without being branded by him.

Unless we're to support 'say what I want you to say or I'll attack you'?

Exige77

5,958 posts

154 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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TheDeuce said:
CoolHands said:
He’s spoken out about other issues in the past like plastic and animal welfare. Also we don’t know if behind the scenes he asked some people in the sport to speak out and they haven’t; which would then be a more deliberate act (for them) ie a choice.
Even if he has asked people, they have the right to choose not to do so without being branded by him.

Unless we're to support 'say what I want you to say or I'll attack you'?
^^^^^What he said.

Fair play to Lewis for using his fame to highlight an issue he feels strongly about but shaming others is really not on.

Disappointed in him.

People highlighting the issue has also served to wip up the rioters and looters we have seen in recent nights.

Maybe many sports people want to just stay as sports people and not become political ?

It’s t rarely ends well for sports people earn the become political.


Mark-C

3,344 posts

168 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Muzzer79 said:
Durzel said:
What value do his F1 peers add by saying in unison "racism is really bad" ?

I get wanting people to speak out, but what does it add when they're stating the absolute obvious? The default position, I would assume and hope, is that all of the F1 drivers abhor systemic racism and want it gone. F1 drivers - white or not - don't strike me as a group of people who are remotely relevant in this, frankly.

What this movement needs is people in positions of power to make statements, and make real, substantial, lasting changes to the system. It ought to come down from the top but Trump is MIA. There is nothing to be gained whatsoever from random celebrities wading in telling us all that they're against racism. No st sherlock.
The point is that clearly to some people, it's not absolutely obvious. To change that, it requires as many people as possible from all backgrounds to advocate the message.
In an ideal world it wouldn't need the likes of Lewis (or the many other sports people that have made statements or shows of support this weekend) to say anything and the people in positions of responsibility would try and do something to make it look like they understood that "racism is really bad" ...

Nampahc Niloc

742 posts

41 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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To clarify. I’ve got nothing against him speaking out. In fact good on him. What’s not right is to try and shame others for keeping their mouths shut.

DuckAvenger

274 posts

96 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Whatever is talk about in celeb-circles, there's always Hamilton, bit late but still. Is he still collecting plastic-rubbish, of course not. Just wait for the next week and next new trend. Surprised he isn't wearing Anonymous-mask. It was pretty big deal yesterday

TheDeuce

8,539 posts

29 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Nampahc Niloc said:
To clarify. I’ve got nothing against him speaking out. In fact good on him. What’s not right is to try and shame others for keeping their mouths shut.
Same. He's acting from a good place but taking to the public stage to shame people for not happening to have spoken publicly is poor. How many things have happened in the world that hasn't got round to speaking up about!?

Can't all rant about everything all the time. There wouldn't be any time left to drive a race car and earn the status to become 'a voice' in the first place!

North West Tom

11,032 posts

140 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Seb made the right choice staying well away from social media.

Muzzer79

4,359 posts

150 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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TheDeuce said:
CoolHands said:
He’s spoken out about other issues in the past like plastic and animal welfare. Also we don’t know if behind the scenes he asked some people in the sport to speak out and they haven’t; which would then be a more deliberate act (for them) ie a choice.
Even if he has asked people, they have the right to choose not to do so without being branded by him.

Unless we're to support 'say what I want you to say or I'll attack you'?
He didn't attack or brand specific people.

He highlighted that F1, a sport watched by millions, had nobody speaking out against this incident other than him.

This makes it seem like statistically, nobody cares. You'd have thought that someone would spoken against it given the amount of coverage it's had.

Noted that several drivers have now come out in support. Some, CLC in particular, noting that they wanted to but felt they couldn't or it wasn't their place. This is understandable.


Muzzer79

4,359 posts

150 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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Exige77 said:
People highlighting the issue has also served to wip up the rioters and looters we have seen in recent nights.

Maybe many sports people want to just stay as sports people and not become political ?
You're suggesting that people should just have kept quiet about what happened? Looked the other way?

DuckAvenger said:
Whatever is talk about in celeb-circles, there's always Hamilton, bit late but still. Is he still collecting plastic-rubbish, of course not. Just wait for the next week and next new trend. Surprised he isn't wearing Anonymous-mask. It was pretty big deal yesterday
I think it's fairly clear that this issue is more than just a celebrity fad......

paulguitar

10,241 posts

76 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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DuckAvenger said:
Whatever is talk about in celeb-circles, there's always Hamilton
Has it occurred to you that race equality might mean a bit more to Hamilton than 'celeb circle talk'?



georgefreeman918

409 posts

62 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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I was discussing the initial Hamilton post (shaming fellow drivers etc) and came home today to find that it seems all drivers have now made statements.

Whilst I respect Hamilton for speaking out, guilting colleagues into issuing statements is not cool. Infact, because I know Hamilton 'guilt tripped' them, the posts come across as disingenuous.

williamp

17,491 posts

236 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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No driver has had to deal with before



its not acceptable. And it should be called out

vdn

7,906 posts

166 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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paulguitar said:
majordad said:
It’s biased because most of the crime is committed by Black Americans. This guy while not in any way deserving being killed was was not an Angel.
It's really very disappointing to read something like this.
It’s typical PH fodder unfortunately... the bubble dwellers get upset at people being upset.

HighwayStar

3,221 posts

107 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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williamp said:
No driver has had to deal with before

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its not acceptable. And it should be called out
Nice one for highlighting that... the whole issue is a subject few people really understand but plenty will have a very simplified view of racism, the causes of crime and what it’s like to be a black person let alone black in America. Especially Trumps America.

vdn

7,906 posts

166 months

Monday 1st June 2020
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anonymous said:
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Yes, surely insincere. Just makes him look good...

rolleyes
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