Lewis Hamilton

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Exige77

5,958 posts

154 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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^^^^^What he said.

vdn

7,908 posts

166 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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anonymous said:
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All in your opinion of course.

On the flip side; Mercedes AMG, other drivers and also industry figures have now posted about it all... and that spreads the word. It sets a tone that this IS the way to view the matter and it highlights the issue. Which can only be a good thing. Many may have posted anyway; I’m sure of it. But we’ve seen Leclerc state, with class, that he wanted to - but didn’t feel it was his place... so the effect, no matter how crass you see the action, has been somewhat positive, like it or not.

beer

paulguitar

10,274 posts

76 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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vdn said:
anonymous said:
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All in your opinion of course.

On the flip side; Mercedes AMG, other drivers and also industry figures have now posted about it all... and that spreads the word. It sets a tone that this IS the way to view the matter and it highlights the issue. Which can only be a good thing. Many may have posted anyway; I’m sure of it. But we’ve seen Leclerc state, with class, that he wanted to - but didn’t feel it was his place... so the effect, no matter how crass you see the action, has been somewhat positive, like it or not.

beer
Agreed. I think Lewis has been somewhat clumsy here, as he has a few times before. He definitely sometimes lets his emotions speak before perhaps considering things carefully. I think with this, though, that he's probably going to raise awareness and that's no bad thing.









vdn

7,908 posts

166 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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But... it is a fact Leclerc posted what I said. So as a double twist to the tale; you’re back where you started!

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RB Will

6,834 posts

203 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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vdn said:
I wouldn’t either. But what his post did do; is open the gate; albeit in a slapdash fashion, to other drivers feeling they could.

Leclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
Leclerc has class
Yes, I agree. He does seem to.
He gets my approval
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chml

590 posts

72 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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So you can only talk about injustice if you cover every single act that occurs anywhere in the world?

768

8,152 posts

59 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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I think this has been said, but it wasn't that he was talking about an injustice, it was that he was calling out people for not talking about an injustice.

Personally I wouldn't be in a rush to do that until I'd called out all the other injustices that occurred anywhere in the world, yes.

sparta6

2,400 posts

63 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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rscott said:
America is a country he seems to have a great deal of affection for and also spends a lot of time there.
Not sure why - its always been riddled with violence, injustice and gun culture.

I guess however he can take his safe little bubble with him to any country.

sparta6

2,400 posts

63 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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RB Will said:
vdn said:
Bo_apex said:
vdn said:
I wouldn’t either. But what his post did do; is open the gate; albeit in a slapdash fashion, to other drivers feeling they could.

Leclerc’s post was quite strongly worded - and he made clear he had wanted to say something but felt it not his place. Fair play to Leclerc.
Leclerc has class
Yes, I agree. He does seem to.
He gets my approval
smile


A self-deprecating sense of humour too !
Full points smile

chml

590 posts

72 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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768 said:
I think this has been said, but it wasn't that he was talking about an injustice, it was that he was calling out people for not talking about an injustice.

Personally I wouldn't be in a rush to do that until I'd called out all the other injustices that occurred anywhere in the world, yes.
I think, and I’m not saying it’s right, that sometimes some events generate that much publicity that they focus rather than all other events. I’m pleased LH raised this because I’m sure there will be plenty of his followers who weren’t aware of what had happened so any attention he can bring to this from his position is a good thing.
If F1, the teams and the drivers had previously been completely silent on things outside of the sport then yes, it is wrong to call them out. However, the sport and those involved have become a lot more vocal of the past decade or so and therefore I think he’s right to say what he did. I also think most people in the sport will be relieved that he posted it as it gave them the option to comment whereas prior to this they may well have been thinking that as a mainly white person sport, their words wouldn’t have been welcomed.

HighwayStar

3,223 posts

107 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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He said what he said... people are talking about it. The squabbling about his approach, method is just silly noise.
I can only imagine how much noise there would’ve been if one of the other drivers had called it out first and Hamilton stayed silent or then waded in... he’d have been royally slaughtered. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t.

eccles

12,140 posts

185 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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anonymous said:
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You keep forgetting, Lewis wears his heart on his sleeve. biggrin

768

8,152 posts

59 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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chml said:
768 said:
I think this has been said, but it wasn't that he was talking about an injustice, it was that he was calling out people for not talking about an injustice.

Personally I wouldn't be in a rush to do that until I'd called out all the other injustices that occurred anywhere in the world, yes.
I think, and I’m not saying it’s right, that sometimes some events generate that much publicity that they focus rather than all other events. I’m pleased LH raised this because I’m sure there will be plenty of his followers who weren’t aware of what had happened so any attention he can bring to this from his position is a good thing.
If F1, the teams and the drivers had previously been completely silent on things outside of the sport then yes, it is wrong to call them out. However, the sport and those involved have become a lot more vocal of the past decade or so and therefore I think he’s right to say what he did. I also think most people in the sport will be relieved that he posted it as it gave them the option to comment whereas prior to this they may well have been thinking that as a mainly white person sport, their words wouldn’t have been welcomed.
That's about where I am, I think. I don't think he went about it the right way, but it's got a result and that's what's actually important at the end of the day.

I'd like to think they'd go beyond words and take some tangible action, although F1 is so staggeringly inaccessible I wonder if any effort or money would be better spent on levelling the playing field in just about any other sport first.

sparta6

2,400 posts

63 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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eccles said:
You keep forgetting, Lewis wears his heart on his sleeve. biggrin
So does Jo Swinson biggrin

longblackcoat

4,457 posts

146 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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You keep saying this.

Where’s your criticism of all the other sports stars who have commented on this without also referencing every other injustice in the world? You only seem to be criticising Hamilton, which makes you guilty of the same hypocrisy you accuse him of.

SturdyHSV

7,706 posts

130 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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longblackcoat said:
You keep saying this.

Where’s your criticism of all the other sports stars who have commented on this without also referencing every other injustice in the world? You only seem to be criticising Hamilton, which makes you guilty of the same hypocrisy you accuse him of.
It really isn't that complicated and has been explained already.

cmoose is not complaining about Hamilton speaking about it.

cmoose's (more severe than mine) opinion is that Hamilton should not be criticising other F1 members for NOT speaking about it.

This is justified by the fact that there are many injustices that Hamilton does not speak about, (let's say because he is either unaware, not passionate enough about or doesn't feel appropriate to speak about) and so to criticise other F1 members for doing exactly what he does with many other injustices, is hypocritical.

As I infer it, his assertion of Hamilton being an egomaniac is based on the presumed reasoning behind this behaviour being that this injustice is more important to Hamilton than all the others he doesn't care about, and everyone else in F1 should thus also be as passionate on this topic as he is, and thus deserving of public chastisement when they don't share his world view.

I think the general concensus is he could have spoken out about the issue without also having a pop at the rest of F1.

Edited by SturdyHSV on Tuesday 2nd June 16:50

HighwayStar

3,223 posts

107 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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Ooooh... the mods have hit the thread!

housen

1,906 posts

155 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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HighwayStar said:
Ooooh... the mods have hit the thread!
Over our squabble

Bit weird

HighwayStar

3,223 posts

107 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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HighwayStar said:
Ooooh... the mods have hit the thread!
Over our squabble

Bit weird
Nah... my post is still there wink
You’re description of Hamilton, let’s say as a less polite pointer to the disabled... that’s gone.
I’d not say a squabble... just a misinterpretation of what I was saying wink. It didn’t turn nasty so it’s all good. smile


Vickers_VC10

6,038 posts

168 months

Tuesday 2nd June 2020
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eccles said:
You keep forgetting, Lewis wears his heart on his sleeve. biggrin
Is that reference to one of his st chav tats?
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