Lewis Hamilton

[Mark-C]

paua said:

Perhaps the mods could move this whole thread to "food & drinks", it no longer has a connection to F1.

I'd give Lewis his own subsection in "The Pie & Piston" and then break it down into Food, Fashion, N,P&E, Music etc and everybody can sod off there and leave the F1 stuff on the F1 forum.

[Halmyre]

Kraken said:

janesmith1950 said:

do find myself thinking 'so what?'. Cows and plants are natural living things. The Earth's population of millions, if not billions, of species has ebbed and flowed with various consequences since life on the planet formed.

By all means cut down on the creation of 'synthetic' pollution as best we can, however if we're all supposed to become vegetarian to save the planet, you can sod off.

So you think the amount of meat animals we have would exist if nature was allowed to run it's course and balance the populations? Not to mention that they are pumped full of growth hormones and anti-biotics to grow faster, consume more food and produce more waste (and emissions) than anything natural. Plus the years of controlled breeding to get animals with the maximum meat content to growth rate balance.

Growth hormones have been banned in the UK (and the EU) since 1989. Of course, this will all change when we've left the EU and get to import our beef from the US and adopt their regulations, or lack of them.

There you are, we've now managed to get Brexit into the argument.

[vdn]

There’s absolutely nothing natural, whatsoever, about the world animal agriculture industry.

People who think it’s natural, have their head buried deep in a sand pit.

[Kenny Powers]

There’s nothing much natural about any agriculture. Particularly when you have to grow plants with no top soil because you’ve killed off the millions of ruminants that help make it. But trying to discuss that topic with the average vegan is like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube, so back to Lewis Hamilton...

Edited by Kenny Powers on Tuesday 22 October 11:47

[vdn]

Kenny Powers said:

There’s nothing much natural about any agriculture. Particularly when you have to grow plants with no top soil because you’ve killed off the millions of ruminants that help make it. But trying to discuss that topic with the average vegan is like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube, so back to Lewis Hamilton...

Edited by Kenny Powers on Tuesday 22 October 11:47

You’ve been exposed numerous times before on this topic; in some cases, embarrassingly so. So you’re assertion at discussing enviro’ impacts of animal agri’ - especially given the consensus amongst actual professionals - with vegans, is I’m afraid the wrong way around. You are simply projecting.

As you say; back to Hamilton!

[Kenny Powers]

Exposed

[vdn]

Kenny Powers said:

Exposed

[Kraken]

vdn said:

There’s absolutely nothing natural, whatsoever, about the world animal agriculture industry.

People who think it’s natural, have their head buried deep in a sand pit.

+1

[Phil5343]

Reading between the lines of the last few posts....we're thinking Lewis will do well in Mexico then??

[jm doc]

Phil5343 said:

Reading between the lines of the last few posts....we're thinking Lewis will do well in Mexico then??

[Greeny]

Kenny Powers said:

There’s nothing much natural about any agriculture. Particularly when you have to grow plants with no top soil because you’ve killed off the millions of ruminants that help make it. But trying to discuss that topic with the average vegan is like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube, so back to Lewis Hamilton...

Edited by Kenny Powers on Tuesday 22 October 11:47

Actually I have read about this before.
An experiment some where to improve the land, so they fenced it off to let nature ‘take it back’
What happened was, the other side of the fence with the cattle on it, was far and away healthier
Edit, google livestock improves land

Edited by Greeny on Wednesday 23 October 17:06

[HustleRussell]

Kenny Powers said:

There’s nothing much natural about any agriculture. Particularly when you have to grow plants with no top soil because you’ve killed off the millions of ruminants that help make it. But trying to discuss that topic with the average vegan is like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube, so back to Lewis Hamilton...

Where is all of that existing soil going, assuming the land hasn't been deforested and laid to pasture?

Greeny said:

Actually I have read about this before.
An experiment some where to improve the land, so they fenced it off to let nature ‘take it back’
What happened was, the other side of the fence with the cattle on it, was far and away healthier
Edit, google livestock improves land

I would be interested in the metric by which they have determined that grazed land is 'far and away healthier', because I highly doubt it is speaking of biodiversity.

[Kenny Powers]

HustleRussell said:

Kenny Powers said:

There’s nothing much natural about any agriculture. Particularly when you have to grow plants with no top soil because you’ve killed off the millions of ruminants that help make it. But trying to discuss that topic with the average vegan is like trying to put toothpaste back in the tube, so back to Lewis Hamilton...

Where is all of that existing soil going, assuming the land hasn't been deforested and laid to pasture?

Greeny said:

Actually I have read about this before.
An experiment some where to improve the land, so they fenced it off to let nature ‘take it back’
What happened was, the other side of the fence with the cattle on it, was far and away healthier
Edit, google livestock improves land

I would be interested in the metric by which they have determined that grazed land is 'far and away healthier', because I highly doubt it is speaking of biodiversity.

The nutrients get eaten by the crops. That is how nature works. Soil is dead life, both animal and planet matter. Every living organism eats and gets eaten. Even plants. take away the ruminants and the soil slowly dies. Sterilised. It's not a new concept, it's just ignored (or "debunked") by the vegan army because it doesn't fit the narrative.

[vdn]

Whereas the warnings from all major organisations / political organisations / charities et al, regard the effects of animal agriculture doesn’t fit the status quo narrative.

Funny that you ignore that...

[Kenny Powers]

I'm not ignoring anything. Of course animal agriculture currently has problems, but so does all agriculture. Pinning the blame on one or the other is disingenuous.

[vdn]

Kenny Powers said:

I'm not ignoring anything. Of course animal agriculture currently has problems, but so does all agriculture. Pinning the blame on one or the other is disingenuous.

Yes, there are issues but why does every single major org’ focus on animal agriculture as being the prime issue. That’s the point. It’s disingenuous to suggest that the impact levels are even, across the board. They’re not.

[swisstoni]

Jeez, the weekend can’t come soon enough.

[vdn]

swisstoni said:

Jeez, the weekend can’t come soon enough.

[epom]

Beep beep...

[Kenny Powers]

vdn said:

Kenny Powers said:

I'm not ignoring anything. Of course animal agriculture currently has problems, but so does all agriculture. Pinning the blame on one or the other is disingenuous.

Yes, there are issues but why does every single major org’ focus on animal agriculture as being the prime issue. That’s the point. It’s disingenuous to suggest that the impact levels are even, across the board. They’re not.

Well that all rather hinges on whether you believe actual scientists or payroll statisticians looking for data to reinforce predetermined outcomes. One particular high-profile 'study' was roundly debunked for completely omitting crop transportation impact, if I remember correctly. The authors were like "oh yeah, our bad" but that part of the story got buried and never saw the light of day in the press. I'm sure you're aware of all this though.

This is all growing very tiresome now. I'm surprised it hasn't been moderated.