Lewis Hamilton
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Deesee said:
Rossi has tested in 2005/6/7/8 for Ferrari in 2007 he was roughly one second off Kimi on lap time in a long run.
The turbo hybrids are a different animal, hence the simulation time.
The moto gp guys have been riding since they were 3/4 yr old, Hamilton has shown amazing competence in being able to ride a GP bike being that sort of time off Rossi is a huge complement.
However competitive the situation was it was not quite Saturday afternoon!
However very enjoyable for us!
It was awesome to see the videos. I just wish there was a longer video perhaps a 10 minute interview each with Rossi and then with Hamilton to see what they thought of each other's vehicles The turbo hybrids are a different animal, hence the simulation time.
The moto gp guys have been riding since they were 3/4 yr old, Hamilton has shown amazing competence in being able to ride a GP bike being that sort of time off Rossi is a huge complement.
However competitive the situation was it was not quite Saturday afternoon!
However very enjoyable for us!
And, I'm a huge Rossi fan and was actually hoping he would successfully pull off a Surtees - from what I remember though, the media was breathlessly enthusiastic about his times but I also remember that Rossi was in a faster car than Schumacher and the others?
A shame he didn't switch for a year or two, and then just come back to MotoGP if it didn't work out a la Michael Jordan, but oh well. I think now the cars are too advanced for someone to switch in their 20s - Marquez and Pedrosa's laptimes in the Red Bull car being prime evidence of that.
Hamilton ranked no 1 of 2019 by the drivers themselves:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.exclusi...
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.exclusi...
paulguitar said:
Hamilton ranked no 1 of 2019 by the drivers themselves:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.exclusi...
Vettel 8th; oooh that's gotta hurt! https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.exclusi...
HTP99 said:
paulguitar said:
Hamilton ranked no 1 of 2019 by the drivers themselves:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.exclusi...
Vettel 8th; oooh that's gotta hurt! https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.exclusi...
Interesting they ranked GR so low. The whole point of these rankings is that in theory the drivers have an appreciation of talent based upon their own, yet he's still 9th..!? Maybe they see something in his F1 driving style we don't.
As for Vettel, hardly surprising - he's a true talent but his lofty position allows him to make mistakes and rash decisions most of the rest of the grid know they couldn't get away with - no surprise he's not ranked that highly by his contemporaries. By the same token no surprise Lewis is ranked highly as he's a)epic talent and, b)a fair and decent racer who the younger portion of the grid all seem to look up to.
Also... what sort of tool gets the list of drivers put in front of them and doesn't tick the 6 times WDC as no1!?
As for Vettel, hardly surprising - he's a true talent but his lofty position allows him to make mistakes and rash decisions most of the rest of the grid know they couldn't get away with - no surprise he's not ranked that highly by his contemporaries. By the same token no surprise Lewis is ranked highly as he's a)epic talent and, b)a fair and decent racer who the younger portion of the grid all seem to look up to.
Also... what sort of tool gets the list of drivers put in front of them and doesn't tick the 6 times WDC as no1!?
TheDeuce said:
Interesting they ranked GR so low. The whole point of these rankings is that in theory the drivers have an appreciation of talent based upon their own, yet he's still 9th..!? Maybe they see something in his F1 driving style we don't.
As for Vettel, hardly surprising - he's a true talent but his lofty position allows him to make mistakes and rash decisions most of the rest of the grid know they couldn't get away with - no surprise he's not ranked that highly by his contemporaries. By the same token no surprise Lewis is ranked highly as he's a)epic talent and, b)a fair and decent racer who the younger portion of the grid all seem to look up to.
Also... what sort of tool gets the list of drivers put in front of them and doesn't tick the 6 times WDC as no1!?
They were allowed to vote for themselves. As for Vettel, hardly surprising - he's a true talent but his lofty position allows him to make mistakes and rash decisions most of the rest of the grid know they couldn't get away with - no surprise he's not ranked that highly by his contemporaries. By the same token no surprise Lewis is ranked highly as he's a)epic talent and, b)a fair and decent racer who the younger portion of the grid all seem to look up to.
Also... what sort of tool gets the list of drivers put in front of them and doesn't tick the 6 times WDC as no1!?
For completeness, in the fans vote Max won.
In the experts vote Lewis won.
glazbagun said:
Graveworm said:
They were allowed to vote for themselves.
For completeness, in the fans vote Max won.
In the experts vote Lewis won.
Lewis didn't win a single fan's DotD all season. For completeness, in the fans vote Max won.
In the experts vote Lewis won.
TheDeuce said:
glazbagun said:
Graveworm said:
They were allowed to vote for themselves.
For completeness, in the fans vote Max won.
In the experts vote Lewis won.
Lewis didn't win a single fan's DotD all season. For completeness, in the fans vote Max won.
In the experts vote Lewis won.
Interesting that the Mercedes and Ferrari drivers, plus Kimi could not be bothered to vote.
I don’t see a great deal of relevance in this. The TPs vote is much more interesting, they have the data across the field and many years of experience and know whose services they would most like to acquire, if they could.
I don’t see a great deal of relevance in this. The TPs vote is much more interesting, they have the data across the field and many years of experience and know whose services they would most like to acquire, if they could.
rdjohn said:
Lewis retains his position at the TP’s most favoured driver.
It is good that they have the openmindedness not to judge him on his hairstyle, or dress sense. It’s a pity that some of the comments on this thread do not follow their example.
Also, it’s good to see the rookies doing so well.
You won’t see the usual suspects comment on this one!!! It is good that they have the openmindedness not to judge him on his hairstyle, or dress sense. It’s a pity that some of the comments on this thread do not follow their example.
Also, it’s good to see the rookies doing so well.
Plain and simple; Hamilton is the best driver out there; the Team Principals and fellow drivers are in agreement.
vdn said:
You won’t see the usual suspects comment on this one!!!
Plain and simple; Hamilton is the best driver out there; the Team Principals and fellow drivers are in agreement.
There are few points that cannot be argued on TP, but this is one of them. He's the voted the best by those that have tried to beat him. The end!Plain and simple; Hamilton is the best driver out there; the Team Principals and fellow drivers are in agreement.
The absolute and outright experts agree, it's sheer madness to put forward theories of how they might all be completely wrong
I'm staggered that Hamilton was that fast on a bike.
I did bike trackdays for years, even raced a bit, and the best I could do was 10 seconds off the pace of the fastest club level guys. Biking fast is hard, and not trying to compere him to myself, but I can recognise what an achievement it is, the speed he showed compared to Rossi goes beyond a hobby. Very committed.
Rossi in the F1 car is also massively impressive. Shows what utter understanding of the way an F1 car controls.
Amazing stuff we've seen here.
I did bike trackdays for years, even raced a bit, and the best I could do was 10 seconds off the pace of the fastest club level guys. Biking fast is hard, and not trying to compere him to myself, but I can recognise what an achievement it is, the speed he showed compared to Rossi goes beyond a hobby. Very committed.
Rossi in the F1 car is also massively impressive. Shows what utter understanding of the way an F1 car controls.
Amazing stuff we've seen here.
Pebbles167 said:
I'm staggered that Hamilton was that fast on a bike.
I did bike trackdays for years, even raced a bit, and the best I could do was 10 seconds off the pace of the fastest club level guys. Biking fast is hard, and not trying to compere him to myself, but I can recognise what an achievement it is, the speed he showed compared to Rossi goes beyond a hobby. Very committed.
Rossi in the F1 car is also massively impressive. Shows what utter understanding of the way an F1 car controls.
Amazing stuff we've seen here.
For the sake of your own dignity you should consider that Lewis may not have tried any harder than you effort-wise. He's a top level racer and that frankly requires a person to be a bit of a freak. Once he's technically convinced of the level of traction, grip & machine ability he'll aim to exploit 99% of that, the remaining 1% being his margin for error. The rest of us humans, myself included... If we got to even 90% potential we'd be shaking a little afterwards! I did bike trackdays for years, even raced a bit, and the best I could do was 10 seconds off the pace of the fastest club level guys. Biking fast is hard, and not trying to compere him to myself, but I can recognise what an achievement it is, the speed he showed compared to Rossi goes beyond a hobby. Very committed.
Rossi in the F1 car is also massively impressive. Shows what utter understanding of the way an F1 car controls.
Amazing stuff we've seen here.
Sounds like you did very well indeed tbh. If you had gone faster you would be a certifiable mentalist, which if they were ever analysed I'm pretty sure most F1 drivers would soundly qualify for on one level or another
Competent drivers can get within a very small margin of a top pro like lewis without shaking, the difference is not from stting yourself, its the lack of ability to get that tiny margin out of the equipment.
Good level drivers do not get out of a car having pushed to their limit having scared themselves, thats simply not on the agenda.
If you are getting out of cars having crapped your pants, you are doing it wrong.
Good level drivers do not get out of a car having pushed to their limit having scared themselves, thats simply not on the agenda.
If you are getting out of cars having crapped your pants, you are doing it wrong.
vdn said:
rdjohn said:
Lewis retains his position at the TP’s most favoured driver.
It is good that they have the openmindedness not to judge him on his hairstyle, or dress sense. It’s a pity that some of the comments on this thread do not follow their example.
Also, it’s good to see the rookies doing so well.
You won’t see the usual suspects comment on this one!!! It is good that they have the openmindedness not to judge him on his hairstyle, or dress sense. It’s a pity that some of the comments on this thread do not follow their example.
Also, it’s good to see the rookies doing so well.
Plain and simple; Hamilton is the best driver out there; the Team Principals and fellow drivers are in agreement.
jsf said:
Competent drivers can get within a very small margin of a top pro like lewis without shaking, the difference is not from stting yourself, its the lack of ability to get that tiny margin out of the equipment.
Good level drivers do not get out of a car having pushed to their limit having scared themselves, thats simply not on the agenda.
If you are getting out of cars having crapped your pants, you are doing it wrong.
We have to remember this is Hamiltons day job. He's done pretty much nothing else for the last 30 years.Good level drivers do not get out of a car having pushed to their limit having scared themselves, thats simply not on the agenda.
If you are getting out of cars having crapped your pants, you are doing it wrong.
TheDeuce said:
vdn said:
You won’t see the usual suspects comment on this one!!!
Plain and simple; Hamilton is the best driver out there; the Team Principals and fellow drivers are in agreement.
There are few points that cannot be argued on TP, but this is one of them. He's the voted the best by those that have tried to beat him. The end!Plain and simple; Hamilton is the best driver out there; the Team Principals and fellow drivers are in agreement.
The absolute and outright experts agree, it's sheer madness to put forward theories of how they might all be completely wrong
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