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Paddy Lowe Going To Williams

Paddy Lowe Going To Williams

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sparta6

445 posts

19 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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PeterY27 said:
This will show Lowe for what he really is, each time he's been with a team it has been while they were at the top but very rarely was he there for the development of a car to new regs coming in once the design work had been done and taking credit for the results.

Moving to a new team at this point will get him out of looking bad if the Merc is not right at the sharp end into a team that has already done all the major development of the new car so no blame as he wasn't on the design team at the crucial time.

A move to Williams at this point after being part of a winning team for 3 years to me is a sign of little confidence in his abilities, if he was that good Merc would pay if anything necessary to keep him or there would be multiple teams bidding to get him a move to William, to me, doesn't signal that.
+1
he would also make a fine career politician.

revrange

1,125 posts

103 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Firstly he has a contract with Mercedes for another season i read, and that makes sense i couldnt see merc letting such a senior person run out a contract like that.

He seems to want more they say, and Williams might offer him a principles job with share options

Piginapoke

451 posts

104 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Joe Saward believes his contract finishes with MB 31.12.16

thegreenhell

3,070 posts

138 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Piginapoke said:
Joe Saward believes his contract finishes with MB 31.12.16
Saward has changed his tune in the last 24 hours.

Yesterday he wrote: "Lowe’s Mercedes contract runs out at the of the year and this means that there is no requirement for any gardening leave, which means that he could start at Williams on January 1".

However, today he wrote: "Contrary to rumours, Lowe is contracted to Mercedes next year so to let him go to Williams would be a big bonus to sweeten the deal to get Bottas".

I tend to favour the latter opinion, as I can't believe that Mercedes would let such a senior person get within 3 weeks of the end of contract without having a plan for him. If they don't agree a new deal with him in that situation then he would become a free agent, able to walk straight in to another team.

Piginapoke

451 posts

104 months

Tuesday 13th December 2016
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Fair point

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revrange

1,125 posts

103 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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thegreenhell said:
Saward has changed his tune in the last 24 hours.

Yesterday he wrote: "Lowe’s Mercedes contract runs out at the of the year and this means that there is no requirement for any gardening leave, which means that he could start at Williams on January 1".

However, today he wrote: "Contrary to rumours, Lowe is contracted to Mercedes next year so to let him go to Williams would be a big bonus to sweeten the deal to get Bottas".

I tend to favour the latter opinion, as I can't believe that Mercedes would let such a senior person get within 3 weeks of the end of contract without having a plan for him. If they don't agree a new deal with him in that situation then he would become a free agent, able to walk straight in to another team.
Indeed in which case suddenly Bottas may well be availble for free engines next year and paddy say joining in march not later in the summer after 6 months gardening leave.

DS240

2,354 posts

137 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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I don't know why Mercedes would be rushing after Bottas in the first place, let alone needing to sweeten the deal with key management or engine deals in order to get him.

suffolk009

3,049 posts

84 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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DS240 said:
I don't know why Mercedes would be rushing after Bottas in the first place, let alone needing to sweeten the deal with key management or engine deals in order to get him.
My guess is that after looking at the data from this years races, and the tyre test at the end of the season, they don't want Werhlein.

LivingTheDream

978 posts

98 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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I still feel Sainz is a really good option - my preference over Bottas

Flooble

1,400 posts

19 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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Could just be canny negotiating tactics from Wolff. Keep Wehrlein hanging on and you get a better deal out of him ...

deadslow

5,560 posts

142 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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LivingTheDream said:
I still feel Sainz is a really good option - my preference over Bottas
yes, that would be brilliant, but there seems to be bad feeling between Merc and Red Bull, though, knowing F1, nothing that money couldn't sort out hehe

suffolk009

3,049 posts

84 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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Flooble said:
Could just be canny negotiating tactics from Wolff. Keep Wehrlein hanging on and you get a better deal out of him ...
Do you imagine that Wehrlein might be about to get a really big salary?

Flooble

1,400 posts

19 months

Wednesday 14th December 2016
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suffolk009 said:
Do you imagine that Wehrlein might be about to get a really big salary?
I was thinking more along the lines of accepting No. 2 status, a termination clause in 2018 if someone better comes along, some sort of "follow team orders or you are fired" clause etc. The sort of things which you'd probably not want in a contract if you were negotiating from a position of power.

suffolk009

3,049 posts

84 months

Thursday 15th December 2016
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Flooble said:
suffolk009 said:
Do you imagine that Wehrlein might be about to get a really big salary?
I was thinking more along the lines of accepting No. 2 status, a termination clause in 2018 if someone better comes along, some sort of "follow team orders or you are fired" clause etc. The sort of things which you'd probably not want in a contract if you were negotiating from a position of power.
Ah, I see. That makes sense.

308mate

13,198 posts

141 months

Tuesday 10th January
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PeterY27 said:
A move to Williams at this point after being part of a winning team for 3 years to me is a sign of little confidence in his abilities, if he was that good Merc would pay if anything necessary to keep him or there would be multiple teams bidding to get him a move to William, to me, doesn't signal that.
Nonsense. Moving from a consistent winner to a middle order team with potential is exactly the behaviour of someone who as every confidence in his ability, needs constant challenges to be motivated and wants to be responsible for lifting a second team up.

AndStilliRise

1,507 posts

35 months

Tuesday 10th January
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308mate said:
PeterY27 said:
A move to Williams at this point after being part of a winning team for 3 years to me is a sign of little confidence in his abilities, if he was that good Merc would pay if anything necessary to keep him or there would be multiple teams bidding to get him a move to William, to me, doesn't signal that.
Nonsense. Moving from a consistent winner to a middle order team with potential is exactly the behaviour of someone who as every confidence in his ability, needs constant challenges to be motivated and wants to be responsible for lifting a second team up.
That being said, Williams hierarchy does not seem to function in that way. i.e. conservative approach to races which means a single entity will not make much difference.


Vocal Minority

7,357 posts

71 months

Tuesday 10th January
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308mate said:
PeterY27 said:
A move to Williams at this point after being part of a winning team for 3 years to me is a sign of little confidence in his abilities, if he was that good Merc would pay if anything necessary to keep him or there would be multiple teams bidding to get him a move to William, to me, doesn't signal that.
Nonsense. Moving from a consistent winner to a middle order team with potential is exactly the behaviour of someone who as every confidence in his ability, needs constant challenges to be motivated and wants to be responsible for lifting a second team up.
Agreed - by that logic Schumacher would never have left Benetton.

thegreenhell

3,070 posts

138 months

Tuesday 10th January
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Vocal Minority said:
308mate said:
PeterY27 said:
A move to Williams at this point after being part of a winning team for 3 years to me is a sign of little confidence in his abilities, if he was that good Merc would pay if anything necessary to keep him or there would be multiple teams bidding to get him a move to William, to me, doesn't signal that.
Nonsense. Moving from a consistent winner to a middle order team with potential is exactly the behaviour of someone who as every confidence in his ability, needs constant challenges to be motivated and wants to be responsible for lifting a second team up.
Agreed - by that logic Schumacher would never have left Benetton.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I read the first comment as the team not having confidence in the individual, by the fact that they are seemingly prepared to let him go so easily and only Williams wanting to take him. Nothing to do with the individual's self-confidence which, as you say, should be more than enough to tackle such a challenge.

hora

23,925 posts

130 months

Tuesday 10th January
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Vocal Minority said:
308mate said:
PeterY27 said:
A move to Williams at this point after being part of a winning team for 3 years to me is a sign of little confidence in his abilities, if he was that good Merc would pay if anything necessary to keep him or there would be multiple teams bidding to get him a move to William, to me, doesn't signal that.
Nonsense. Moving from a consistent winner to a middle order team with potential is exactly the behaviour of someone who as every confidence in his ability, needs constant challenges to be motivated and wants to be responsible for lifting a second team up.
Agreed - by that logic Schumacher would never have left Benetton.
Will Williams win anything again though. Bit different to Ferrari. Williams last 'won' 20years ago..