Paddy Lowe Going To Williams

[Allyc85]

Wasn't it around 25 years between drivers titles for Ferrari?

[hora]

Cough..14 but then Ferrari arguably had more £££ resources

[rubystone]

308mate said:

Nonsense. Moving from a consistent winner to a middle order team with potential is exactly the behaviour of someone who as every confidence in his ability, needs constant challenges to be motivated and wants to be responsible for lifting a second team up.

He left McLaren because they wouldn't give him the wider role he wanted. Perhaps he felt that Wolff/Lauda were clipping his wings too?

With FW increasingly deferring to Claire and with Pat Symonds looking to scale back, I think they decided to go after Lowe with a vengeance. I'm assuming a decent lump of equity is involved, along with the promise of funds to support?

[George29]

308mate said:

Nonsense. Moving from a consistent winner to a middle order team with potential is exactly the behaviour of someone who as every confidence in his ability, needs constant challenges to be motivated and wants to be responsible for lifting a second team up.

Or it could be Merc are unwilling to meet his demands and replaced him with James Allison, meaning he had no where else to go.

[Mr_Thyroid]

Allyc85 said:

Wasn't it around 25 years between drivers titles for Ferrari?

21 years. And already back up to 10 since Kimi.

[308mate]

AndStilliRise said:

308mate said:

PeterY27 said:

A move to Williams at this point after being part of a winning team for 3 years to me is a sign of little confidence in his abilities, if he was that good Merc would pay if anything necessary to keep him or there would be multiple teams bidding to get him a move to William, to me, doesn't signal that.

Nonsense. Moving from a consistent winner to a middle order team with potential is exactly the behaviour of someone who as every confidence in his ability, needs constant challenges to be motivated and wants to be responsible for lifting a second team up.

That being said, Williams hierarchy does not seem to function in that way. i.e. conservative approach to races which means a single entity will not make much difference.

And if that's the case, they are suffering the same fate as every family business since forever whilst it's still run by the family. I'm sure Claire is capable but if Frank thought she was going to do anything wildly different, I doubt she would have got the gig. Offspring are largely condemned to run family businesses in the image of the founder, regardless of their good intentions.

[Vocal Minority]

thegreenhell said:

Vocal Minority said:

308mate said:

PeterY27 said:

A move to Williams at this point after being part of a winning team for 3 years to me is a sign of little confidence in his abilities, if he was that good Merc would pay if anything necessary to keep him or there would be multiple teams bidding to get him a move to William, to me, doesn't signal that.

Nonsense. Moving from a consistent winner to a middle order team with potential is exactly the behaviour of someone who as every confidence in his ability, needs constant challenges to be motivated and wants to be responsible for lifting a second team up.

Agreed - by that logic Schumacher would never have left Benetton.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I read the first comment as the team not having confidence in the individual, by the fact that they are seemingly prepared to let him go so easily and only Williams wanting to take him. Nothing to do with the individual's self-confidence which, as you say, should be more than enough to tackle such a challenge.

Ok. I disagree with that sentiment, and Ferrari had produced some some cars in the very recent years before he joined that were fit for the knackers yard - F192 anyone?! Admittedly the 412's were better but still a stretch behind the Benetton and Williams

Also that point of view assumes a very certain set of motivations - Paddy has now been in a team that's won three. Who knows what the briefs were - what if he wanted to change something radically and management didn't want to tinker with the winning recipe? What if he just though Toto was a dick and got on with Claire.

I just think that saying 'must be crap as Mercedes didn't keep him and red bull didn't mortgage everything they have' is overly superficial. As it totally disregards the potential that the man isn't motivated by money.

Edited by Vocal Minority on Wednesday 11th January 11:22

[DB7 for ever]

Norfolkit said:

Sadly, I really don't see Williams as "the next rising team", they're going backwards.

I hear what your saying but lets NOT forget how successful William's have been in the past. MASSIVE success it has to be said.

I truly think they will one day be " KINGS " of the F1 track once again albeit MONEY and the RIGHT drivers will always dictate this and the car too.

Have the privilege of knowing a senior William's employee currently and we were hosted by the team at the 2013 Singapore race weekend which was just bloody awesome TBH and I have been to the factory a few times last year along with a full guided tour by the William's employee legend " Mr Dickie Stanford ".

Dickie now runs the William's Heritage Museum at Grove facility.

[rubystone]

DB7 for ever said:

I hear what your saying but lets NOT forget how successful William's have been in the past. MASSIVE success it has to be said.

I truly think they will one day be " KINGS " of the F1 track once again albeit MONEY and the RIGHT drivers will always dictate this and the car too.

Have the privilege of knowing a senior William's employee currently and we were hosted by the team at the 2013 Singapore race weekend which was just bloody awesome TBH and I have been to the factory a few times last year along with a full guided tour by the William's employee legend " Mr Dickie Stanford ".

Dickie now runs the William's Heritage Museum at Grove facility.

Sadly they won't be again unless they find £300m p.a. What did you think of Singapore when they hosted you there? I've not been in the pits/paddock there . What's it like?