Honda - another disaster ?
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jsf said:
Boulier looked ecstatic! maybe not....
I think based on that reaction they have already decided its over.
Alonso had the right idea, if they'd had the same engine in they did on Friday they could have been up on the podium. Probably more pissed about loosing points than gaining those few.I think based on that reaction they have already decided its over.
kambites said:
It was interesting seeing during the race how close the performance of the Honda unit seems to be to last year's Ferrari one in the Sauber. I suppose that does, to an extent, put into perspective how difficult it is playing catch-up as they are.
The Sauber had the initial jump but Alonso had DRS out of turn 2 and maybe whatever electric boost he could use.PhillipM said:
jsf said:
Boulier looked ecstatic! maybe not....
I think based on that reaction they have already decided its over.
Alonso had the right idea, if they'd had the same engine in they did on Friday they could have been up on the podium. Probably more pissed about loosing points than gaining those few.I think based on that reaction they have already decided its over.
Crafty_ said:
F1GTRUeno said:
Vandoorne had the old spec engine.
Ah ok, I thought they were both running the new one. Might be a good improvement coming then once they decide to run it full time.Obviously no word on fuel efficiency and race mode top speeds as those laps were preceded with slow charge laps I believe, but this update is v. promising. FP1 might possibly been simulating race mode drag levels. This top speed is not a million miles away from the rest of the field. Can't wait for Austria. Hoping for better reliability though.
jsf said:
Boulier looked ecstatic! maybe not....
I think based on that reaction they have already decided its over.
Or worse - if Honda improve its harder to divorce. As posted above, I think the little preview of the forthcoming update is promising. They also appear to have fixed the MGU-H bearing failure issue. I think based on that reaction they have already decided its over.
Worst scenario for McLaren is that Honda actually improve so that they regularly finish in the top 10. Good enough that they can't bail from the relationship, not good enough to challenge for podiums.
Tbh I don't want them to bail from Honda
They will improve and get there
You got to remember merc had been developing this engine from around 2011/2012 so it's now 5-6yrs of development and very powerful whereas Honda have been at it 3 yrs don't forget also Honda have had to learn from year 1 whereas merc could run and dyno the engine to the max for 2-3yrs before it sat in the actual car! I do t think Honda are doing too bad considering and if they can sort their issues next year even better
They will improve and get there
You got to remember merc had been developing this engine from around 2011/2012 so it's now 5-6yrs of development and very powerful whereas Honda have been at it 3 yrs don't forget also Honda have had to learn from year 1 whereas merc could run and dyno the engine to the max for 2-3yrs before it sat in the actual car! I do t think Honda are doing too bad considering and if they can sort their issues next year even better
lee_fr200 said:
Tbh I don't want them to bail from Honda
They will improve and get there
You got to remember merc had been developing this engine from around 2011/2012 so it's now 5-6yrs of development and very powerful whereas Honda have been at it 3 yrs don't forget also Honda have had to learn from year 1 whereas merc could run and dyno the engine to the max for 2-3yrs before it sat in the actual car! I do t think Honda are doing too bad considering and if they can sort their issues next year even better
I'd like them to stick with Honda too. I'm sure they'll get it right and there are signs things are improving.They will improve and get there
You got to remember merc had been developing this engine from around 2011/2012 so it's now 5-6yrs of development and very powerful whereas Honda have been at it 3 yrs don't forget also Honda have had to learn from year 1 whereas merc could run and dyno the engine to the max for 2-3yrs before it sat in the actual car! I do t think Honda are doing too bad considering and if they can sort their issues next year even better
jammy-git said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but apparently McLaren Honda have completed more laps in 2017 than Red Bull Renault.
And yet Red Bull are still a country mile ahead of them on speed and points. The Renault donkey can be a bit fragile, in Verstsppens car especially but it does at least have some grunt, and the Red Bull is likely to be a far better chassis than the Mclaren.
jammy-git said:
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet but apparently McLaren Honda have completed more laps in 2017 than Red Bull Renault.
As some F1 driver once said 'I'd rather have a fast car that's unreliable than a slow car that's reliable'... (Using 'reliable' in its loosest sense of course).Frimley111R said:
As some F1 driver once said 'I'd rather have a fast car that's unreliable than a slow car that's reliable'... (Using 'reliable' in its loosest sense of course).
It's generally easier to add reliability than to add speed. (Massive armchair enthusiast sweeping statement)Oi_Oi_Savaloy said:
Sauber to be bought by Honda? Longbow get an easy out, Kaltenborn comes back in, Honda get to control at least one team's PR! Just a thought.
Yep and spend 5-7 years and hundreds of millions trying to build a winning car and as soon as they do, decide to quickly pull out of the sport and sell the team to Ross Brawn who wins the Championship that year... ridiculous could never happen 
patmahe said:
Yep and spend 5-7 years and hundreds of millions trying to build a winning car and as soon as they do, decide to quickly pull out of the sport and sell the team to Ross Brawn who wins the Championship that year... ridiculous could never happen
It probably would not have won with the Honda engine according to Ross B and Nick F - it was still not competitive, despite Hondas protestations.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff